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War in Australia (any Oz Politics): the Original

Old 16th Jan 2015, 20:41
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I think Labor have at last succeeded at something - (quite a feat when you look at their record). They have succeeded in turning perception into fact in the matter of Tony Abbott's popularity with the electorate. The little lie has been repeated so often, both by Labor and an ever-compliant mainstream media, that it has become first the Big Lie, and just as Dr Goebbels did back in the 1930s, eventually 'the Truth' in the minds of most out there in the electorate.

My own children, by no means Labor-oriented, don't like him. When I ask what he has done to make them feel that way, neither can answer with a specific point; they just don't like him. And unfortunate and unfair as that may be, attitudes like that are going to cost the Liberals votes, for today, we have to 'like' our leaders rather than select the man we think will do the better job.

How anyone could consider for a nanosecond that Shorten might do a better job than Abbott is beyond me, but hey, I'm a right wing reactionary...

As for Malcolm Turnbull... What can I say? He's the man 'everyone' wants as Liberal leader - 'everyone' in this case being every person who would never vote Liberal in a month of Sundays. But hey, Ethel, along the same lines as the largely successful AbbottbaaaadAbbottbbaaadAbbottbaaad campaign (see above), by constantly repeating the Turnbull canard, you might well succeed with that as well.

As for Shorten being the Stephen Bradbury of Australian politics... To me, he's more like David Bradbury. And that's about as deep an insult as I can think up, for David Bradbury represented to me, in one always nodding very unpleasant head, damn near everything that was wrong with the Gillard government. A thoroughly unpleasant little creep.
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Old 16th Jan 2015, 22:29
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KB; think you will find there is great growing disillusionment with the Federal Government by those who voted for them.

They have stuffed things up in large lumps particularly the budget yet have to admit they got it wrong and present a revised plan.

Their advisors and strategists clearly need serious review if not replacement with the first thing needed is to stop listening to those talking loudly and often, to the `social engineers’ and start talking, listening to Joe Voter!

LT-DT; agreed about the `aging population’ but this is not something we have not known about since it has been happening failing to adequately provide for. I think you will find Medicare will surpass the pension as the greatest government expenditure in the future particularly if the Disability Insurance Scheme is not separated from it being funded within its own right. This will be particularly so if the Socialists ever return to power, they will bleed it dry.

With Superannuation and supposed tax concessions I disagree reluctantly giving credit to Paul Keating superannuation reforms where all working contribute to superannuation up to 15% of salary. The later changes where paying a 15% tax on contributions and then, as I understand it, paying 15% on fund earnings this provides retirement payments from the scheme tax free. This is the incentive to provide for one’s retirement. To suggest as is often quoted, it is the wealthiest who benefit most or the tax revenue is being deprived is erroneous, part of the Labor greed and envy mantra.

1) There is strong incentive to all to save for their retirement.
2) It should have been allowed to go to 15% a planned; the Libs were wrong to change it.
3) All are taxed15% on contributions and earning; if you put more in, have more in earning, then you pay more tax
4) Why because one has taken the risks, provided the capital, done the hard work should one be taxed more than anyone else?
5) Equally, one could argue, having contributed to the pension paying tax throughout one’s working life why should one be denied (asset testing) a pension upon retirement?

Under current circumstances whilst generally having voted Blue in the past with several severely regrettable lapses, will not be voting for my local Liberal Member or Senator however, there can be little or no consolation to Labor and Greens as they will fill last spot on the ballot paper.
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Old 17th Jan 2015, 01:23
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That's a fairly free use of 'grew up'.
Agreed, how about I replace it with the term "vertically and horizontally extended".
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Old 17th Jan 2015, 04:28
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At least Bradbury has the decency to admit that his big win was just a fluke in his favour.
Let us at least be a little bit charitable here, through hours of training, hard work and competition Bradbury reached the final! Training and hard work are unknown to Shorten.

I think Ethel is trying to convince herself that Turnbull would replace Abbott, wrong gender Ethel, the lady in waiting is likely to be Bishop, about six months before the election date.
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Old 17th Jan 2015, 05:41
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the Lady in waiting is likely to be Bishop, about six months before the election date.
And I would not be surprised at all parabellum if you are eventually proved to be correct.

I also think that the Lady in waiting will prove to be exactly what this country needs!

Because if she 'aint, then God help us!
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Old 17th Jan 2015, 07:58
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I feel a major climate change flip flop announcement on its way,
The lady in waiting ( Ms Asbestosis) is so far out of her depth even another women's day photo shoot could not elevate her.
maybe Dutton, nah thick as two short ones
Hockey, he's arrogant and out of touch enough to believe he could.
Morrison, makes Grand Moff Tarkin look like a cub scout
Truss, about to throw the towel in
Pyne, no need to comment there.
Brandis, seems to be more interested in being a bigot
Joyce, maybe his rich magnate friend could give him a bit of backing
Hunt, not a lot going on behind that smile is there.
anyone else foolish enough to step up to the plate
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Old 17th Jan 2015, 08:24
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Meanwhile in the other parallel world inhabited by Ethel we have S.H.Y. getting her knickers in a twist about the "poor refugees" incarcerated on Manus Island. No sign of her, or statement from her, about that Sydney business or the latest happenings in Paris and Brussels though. No Sarah is just so worried about her favourite people sewing their lips together and swallowing razor blades .... so it is alleged by those whose holy book tells them to lie to the non believers.
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Old 17th Jan 2015, 08:24
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What I fail to see, is what Ethyl and her mates feel that Labor can do better. They sure made a mess of it last time.
About the only thing they were good at was handing out welfare to illegal boat people.
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Old 17th Jan 2015, 08:54
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Originally Posted by Ethel the Aardvark View Post
I feel a major climate change flip flop announcement on its way,
The lady in waiting ( Ms Asbestosis) is so far out of her depth even another women's day photo shoot could not elevate her.




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Old 17th Jan 2015, 09:23
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Oh for God's sake Ethel!

Your last post has merely confirmed a theory I have heard many times;

"The more desperate your position, the more hysterical your statements."

Tell your Boss*, Senator 'Two Dads', that she's on a hiding to nothing!


* My personal opinion is that you don't work for Milne. Reason is, I don't think she's really totally stupid! Well, not completely anyway.
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Old 17th Jan 2015, 09:54
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Speaking of flip flops and climate change etc, whats the Queensland socialists, oops I mean Labor parties stand on the whole Ardani coal thing?

I'm wondering what bought Ethels little turn on about the flip flop?
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Old 17th Jan 2015, 09:56
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lady in waiting ( Ms Asbestosis) is so far out of her depth even another women's day photo shoot could not elevate her.
A sure sign that Sussex Street are crapping themselves that they could be facing Bishop as leader next election. Standard tactic, ridicule the obvious candidate who can give them a hiding in the hope that it will catch on, promote a non-runner in the hope it will catch on
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Old 17th Jan 2015, 17:49
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No Sarah is just so worried about her favourite people
Sarah's not worried about them, bosnich. 'Accidents happen', remember?

I was at Adelaide Uni with Ms Hanson. She's no genius, having scraped into an Arts course with the lowest possible entry score. She got herself into student politics as a result of standard operating procedure of the student Left: find an attractive-looking candidate in a huge course (like first year Arts) and promote them. The ruling junta then has their vote on the student board. That's how it works, I kid you not. Sarah looked ok at 17, and had about the biggest rack in he university, so most of the blokes voted for her and she was a shoo-in. She became environment officer, a paid position in which she supported whichever group on campus could give her a significant number of votes.

She graduated, and got a job in a bank on about $40,000 pa. The Greens, like the student Left, know the value in votes of a reasonable looking young woman, so she was put on the Senate card, and hello $200,000 plus per year!

SHY is now mining the rich lodes of bleeding heart hand-wringers on one side and the growing army of voting refugees, their relatives and to a lesser extent refugee industry workers on the other side, in addition to picking up the votes from everyday Greens wackos. As a senator rather than an MP for a specific electorate, SHY only has to reach a quota of votes from across the state, rather than a majority of outright and preference votes in a single electorate, which with Greens support at around 10% on a good day, she would not achieve.

She should be a political footnote, but in the present situation, she's actually got some power, and is therefore a problem. What's more, she attracts the media. When she's not confusing the 'Sea Patrol' soap with real life, she's causing a spike in self-harm at refugee camps whenever she visits them. In short, she's good press, however dim she is and despite the lurid tales of her personal life coming from the Canberra press gallery now and then.

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Old 17th Jan 2015, 22:04
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A slight change of focus: from another Jetblast thread.
There is some evidence that Canada is only accepting Christian refugees from Syria. They aren't announcing this officially. Nobody worth mentioning is complaining.
Anyone like to make a guess on the reaction from the Usual Suspects here if the Coalition Oz gummit tried something similar, even 'unofficially'?
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Old 18th Jan 2015, 04:54
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Life and limb would be endangered by the outraged firing of tampons across the room, Mr Andu.

Common sense and reality don't enter the equation.
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Old 18th Jan 2015, 05:19
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Another offering by Pat Condell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N46m...=youtube_gdata
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Old 18th Jan 2015, 06:24
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Andu; That clip should be made compulsory viewing for every member of the Australian Parliament. State and Federal.

And all Greens Party MPs should be made to view it at least five times!
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Old 18th Jan 2015, 10:11
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Speaking of flip flops and climate change etc, whats the Queensland socialists, oops I mean Labor parties stand on the whole Ardani coal thing?
Making a few greenie motherhood statements without actually promising anything. Given their big push for jobs jobs jobs (and given what happened to the last federal Labor government, which was seen as too Green by many mainstream Labor voters, particularly in Queensland ) I think there's a fair bit of hedging around the issue. Enviro, safety and 457 visa concerns notwithstanding, they certainly don't (and shouldn't, IMO) want to be seen as standing in the way of a big project that may employ lots of Queenslanders. That would be very unpopular. Coal is a tricky issue for the Labor Left in Queensland, because the CFMEU (correctly IMO) largely views the coal mining industry as beneficial for their members, i.e. it employs lots of them.
Trad also stopped short of ruling out altogether Labor support for dredging in Great Barrier Reef waters to expand Adani’s Abbot Point coal port near Bowen.
But she said Labor opposed dredging while financial backing for the project remained up in the air.
Queensland Labor vows to roll back taxpayer support for Carmichael mine | World news | The Guardian

Anyway, it's certainly shaping up as Queensland's hottest election campaign . No doubt Bob Brown et al would say we deserve it because we mine coal ( a la 2011 floods, cause and effect never having been a Greens strong point ). Whatever your politics and whatever their message, spare a thought (and maybe a friendly honk if they're Your Sort of People ) for any political campaginers waving signs by the roadside. I'm even feeling sorry for the MPs and candidates from both sides, who are all manfully (womanfully?) getting around the traps in their best suits and trying to stop their makeup falling off and/or foreheads frying. Personally I think red/blue board shorts and big Party branded sun hats would be more practical.

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Old 18th Jan 2015, 14:02
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And in other news...lets just get this right. I hope on a boat, arrive illegally in Australia, only to be told there is no chance you can live there and collect welfare from tax payers that have put into the system their whole lives.

So I decided, aided by my lawyers, to create havok.....


Asylum seekers barricade compounds at Manus Island detention centre | Daily Mail Online
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Old 18th Jan 2015, 14:14
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Kind of reminds me of little Johnny...
"If I don't get what I want, I'll hold my breath until my face turns blue!"
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