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Old 11th Jan 2015, 11:45
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The only thing that would make a difference to extremists is if they started mysteriously ending up in ditches at the hands of our local moderate Muslims.
Careful what you wish for. I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that the real movers and shakers behind an Islamic takeover of the West aren't horrified at the antics of the crazies who by their attacks are removing the blinkers of the useful idiots in the West and also making it almost impossible for Western politicians to continue to ignore that takeover.

Why? Because steady as she goes, both by vastly higher birth rates along with immigration, both legal and illegal, are proving to be wildly successful in achieving their aims without waking the populations of the slumbering, politically correct to a fault host.

Even after these attacks, the vast majority of the Western political leadership along with the 'free' (but actually self-censoring) media refuse to see, no matter how blatant the evidence to the contrary, that there is anything that needs to be addressed. But if the attacks continue, maybe the cosy status quo might be threatened.

So maybe the bodies of a few of the crazy muzzies might start appearing in ditches. And for us - those whose blinkers have already been removed - that might be the very worst thing that could happen, for the pollies and the Leftie media could then, as they have steadfastly done to date, continue to ignore the invasion. For that's what it is.
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Old 11th Jan 2015, 22:48
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Andu .... problem with " the bodies of a few crazy muzzies appearing in ditches" is that the Crazy Far Right Nutters" would soon be blamed for the deaths. Which is probably why your words will eventually come true.
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Old 11th Jan 2015, 23:31
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Frankly any "Moderate Muslim" is as likely to end up in a ditch at the hands of a jihadist as your archetypical WASP, not the other way around.

Denouncing their actions is as good as being an infidel. If push ever comes to shove, the Muslims who just want to live out full and wholesome lives like almost everyone else will find themselves lumped together with the evil West.

Was there any remorse shown when it came to light that, in tragic irony, the cop they killed in Paris turned out to be a Muslim himself?

Unrelated to Australia as such, but saddest of all I think is the statistic that public perception of atheists in the USA is about the same as that of Muslims. What has that place come to?
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Old 12th Jan 2015, 09:39
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Long, but worth the read, and after reading it, you might ask yourself if there’s another country that comes to mind that this situation applies to almost to a ‘t’?
Susan MacAllen is a contributing editor for (FamilySecurityMatters.org) Salute the Danish Flag - it's a Symbol of Western Freedom By Susan MacAllen

In 1978-9 I was living and studying in Denmark . But in 1978 - even in Copenhagen, one didn't see Muslim immigrants.

The Danish population embraced visitors, celebrated the exotic, went out of its way to protect each of its citizens. It was proud of its new brand of socialist liberalism one in development since the conservatives had lost power in 1929 - a system where no worker had to struggle to survive, where one ultimately could count upon the state as in, perhaps, no other western nation at the time.

The rest of Europe saw the Scandinavians as free-thinking, progressive and infinitely generous in their welfare policies. Denmark boasted low crime rates, devotion to the environment, a superior educational system and a history of humanitarianism.

Denmark was also most generous in its immigration policies - it offered the best welcome in Europe to the new immigrant: generous welfare payments from first arrival plus additional perks in transportation, housing and education. It was determined to set a world example for inclusiveness and multiculturalism. How could it have predicted that one day in 2005 a series of political cartoons in a newspaper would spark violence that would leave dozens dead in the streets -all because its commitment to multiculturalism would come back to bite?

By the 1990's the growing urban Muslim population was obvious - and its unwillingness to integrate into Danish society was obvious. Years of immigrants had settled into Muslim-exclusive enclaves. As the Muslim leadership became more vocal about what they considered the decadence of Denmark 's liberal way of life, the Danes - once so welcoming - began to feel slighted. Many Danes had begun to see Islam as incompatible with their long-standing values: belief in personal liberty and free speech, in equality for women, in tolerance for other ethnic groups, and a deep pride in Danish heritage and history.

An article by Daniel Pipes and Lars Hedegaard, in which they forecasted, accurately, that the growing immigrant problem in Denmark would explode. In the article they reported:

'Muslim immigrants constitute 5 percent of the population but consume upwards of 40 percent of the welfare spending.'
'Muslims are only 4 percent of Denmark's 5.4 million people but make up a majority of the country's convicted rapists, an especially combustible issue given that practically all the female victims are non-Muslim. Similar, if lesser, disproportions are found in other crimes.'

'Over time, as Muslim immigrants increase in numbers, they wish less to mix with the indigenous population. A recent survey finds that only 5 percent of young Muslim immigrants would readily marry a Dane'

'Forced marriages - promising a newborn daughter in Denmark to a male cousin in the home country, then compelling her to marry him, sometimes on pain of death - are one problem'

'Muslim leaders openly declare their goal of introducing Islamic law once Denmark's Muslim population grows large enough - a not-that-remote prospect.. If present trends persist, one sociologist estimates, every third inhabitant of Denmark in 40 years will be Muslim.'

It is easy to understand why a growing number of Danes would feel that Muslim immigrants show little respect for Danish values and laws. An example is the phenomenon common to other European countries and Canada: some Muslims in Denmark who opted to leave the Muslim faith have been murdered in the name of Islam, while others hide in fear for their lives. Jews are also threatened and harassed openly by Muslim leaders in Denmark, a country where once Christian citizens worked to smuggle out nearly all of their 7,000 Jews by night to Sweden - before the Nazis could invade. I think of my Danish friend Elsa - who. as a teenager. had dreaded crossing the street to the bakery every morning under the eyes of occupying Nazi soldiers - and I wonder what she would say today.

In 2001, Denmark elected the most conservative government in some 70 years - one that had some decidedly non-generous ideas about liberal unfettered immigration. Today Denmark has the strictest immigration policies in Europe . ( Its effort to protect itself has been met with accusations of 'racism' by liberal media across Europe - even as other governments struggle to right the social problems wrought by years of too-lax immigration.)

If you wish to become Danish, you must attend three years of language classes.

You must pass a test on Denmark 's history, culture, and a Danish language test .

You must live in Denmark for 7 years before applying for citizenship.

You must demonstrate an intent to work, and have a job waiting.

If you wish to bring a spouse into Denmark , you must both be over 24 years of age, and you won't find it so easy anymore to move your friends and family to Denmark with you.

You will not be allowed to build a mosque in Copenhagen Although your children have a choice of some 30 Arabic culture and language schools in Denmark, they will be strongly encouraged to assimilate to Danish society in ways that past immigrants weren't

In 2006, the Danish minister for employment, Claus Hjort Frederiksen, spoke publicly of the burden of Muslim immigrants on the Danish welfare system, and it was horrifying: the government's welfare committee had calculated that if immigration from Third World countries were blocked, 75 percent of the cuts needed to sustain the huge welfare system in coming decades would be unnecessary In other words, the welfare system, as it existed, was being exploited by immigrants to the point of eventually bankrupting the government. 'We are simply forced to adopt a new policy on immigration'.

'The calculations of the welfare committee are terrifying and show how unsuccessful the integration of immigrants has been up to now,' he said.

A large thorn in the side of Denmark 's imams is the Minister of
Immigration and Integration, Rikke Hvilshoj.. She makes no bones about the new policy toward immigration, 'The number of foreigners coming to the country makes a difference,' Hvilshoj says, 'There is an inverse correlation between how many come here and how well we can receive the foreigners that come.' And on Muslim immigrants needing to demonstrate a willingness to blend in, 'In my view, Denmark should be a country with room for different cultures and religions. Some values, however, are more important than others. We refuse to question democracy, equal rights, < I>and freedom of speech.'

Hvilshoj has paid a price for her show of backbone.. Perhaps to test her resolve, the leading radical imam in Denmark, Ahmed Abdel Rahman Abu Laban, demanded that the government pay blood money to the family of a Muslim who was murdered in a suburb of Copenhagen, stating that the family's thirst for revenge could be thwarted for money. When Hvilshoj dismissed his demand, he argued that in Muslim culture the payment of retribution money was common, to which Hvilshoj replied that what is done in a Muslim country is not necessarily what is done in Denmark.

The Muslim reply came soon after: her house was torched while she, her husband and children slept. All managed to escape unharmed, but she and her family were moved to a secret location and she and other ministers were assigned bodyguards for the first time - in a country where such murderous violence was once so scarce.

Her government has slid to the right, and her borders have tightened.

Many believe that what happens in the next decade will determine whether Denmark survives as a bastion of good living, humane thinking and social responsibility, or whether it becomes a nation at civil war with supporters of Sharia law.

And meanwhile, Canadians clamor for stricter immigration policies, and demand an end to state welfare programs that allow many immigrants to live on the public dole. As we in Canada look at the enclaves of Muslims amongst us, and see those who enter our shores too easily, dare live on our taxes, yet refuse to embrace our culture, respect our traditions, participate in our legal system, obey our laws, speak our language, appreciate our history ... we would do well to look to Denmark , and say a prayer for her future and for our own.
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Old 12th Jan 2015, 10:35
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I'm just wondering why Singapore doesn't have the same islamic problem that the rest of the world is having, it is next to a couple of large islamic run countries ...... I think I know the answer.
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Old 12th Jan 2015, 11:59
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...could that be that they don't take merde from anyone?

Some might not be aware that in the original agreement where the British gave independence to the Malay States towards the end of the quaintly named 12 year long "Malayan Emergency", Singapore was originally part of the newly minted Malaysia. The Chinese, no dummies, quite quickly saw what would become of them in a Muslim State, so, much to the consternation of the British, they opted out. (The British, to buy the loyalty of the Malays in the bitter fight to defeat the mainly Chinese Communist terrorists (or "C.T.'s", as they were called), drew up a constitution for the new Malaysian state that was, to put it in today's terms, unbelievably racist, giving the Muslim Malays, or Bumi Putras ("Sons of the Soil"), unbelievable rights over the Chinese and Indians, who made up approximately 60% of the population of Malaya/Malaysia. (Both the Indians and the Chinese had been imported or allowed to settle in Malaya during the years of British rule.)

This situation where Malays - (or, to be more accurate, "Bumis", Malays and non-Malays who converted to Islam for the few short years when conversion gave those non-Malays "Bumi" rights; that was withdrawn a few years after Malaysia was established) - enjoy rights in every facet of their lives that the Chinese and Indians do not exists to this day, which makes anyone familiar with now retired Malaysian Prime Minister, Mahathir Mohamad repeatedly accuse Australia of being racist.

Those complaining today about immigrants to the West in current times of a certain religious persuasion bludging on the system on a wholesale basis and who are also familiar with the long-standing relationship between the Malays and the Chinese in Malaysia might find a few parallels that those whose lives and opinions are ruled by Political Correctness would studiously ignore and refuse to see.
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Old 12th Jan 2015, 11:59
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None of those Islamic countries are filled with disenfranchised Arabs, that's why. Islamic violence all over the world originates in the Middle East not too far along the line. You lot are not worried about a growing Malaysian terror threat after all. IMO Malaysia is a prime example of multiculturalism involving Islamism that has worked quite well. Even Indonesia is peaceful relative to comparably Muslim countries like say Pakistan.

There is some geopolitics mixed in as well. Islamic extremism is not the black and white issue that zealots make it out to be.
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Old 12th Jan 2015, 12:37
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Have you ever lived in Malaysia, Chuboy? Multiculturalism works a treat there - the Indians do the hard yakka, the Chinese make the money and the Malays reap most of the benefit. It would be the most unfair system I have ever seen, with the possible exception to the old South Africa.
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Old 12th Jan 2015, 13:34
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Short memory, my friend.
The Bali Bombing ring a bell?
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Old 12th Jan 2015, 22:56
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Have you ever lived in Malaysia, Chuboy? Multiculturalism works a treat there - the Indians do the hard yakka, the Chinese make the money and the Malays reap most of the benefit. It would be the most unfair system I have ever seen, with the possible exception to the old South Africa.
My point was that despite the mix of religions in that country, life goes on for everyone. The inequality is a different matter and exists in some form or another in every country regardless of racial diversity.

RE the bali bombing, who could forget that. The perpetrators did have Arabic roots though, and the attack was financed by al-Qaeda. And there has been nothing like it since. Contrast with countries closer to Mecca, explosions there happen so often you don't read about them until page 24...
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Old 12th Jan 2015, 23:33
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So chuboy, re Malaysia and its "inequalities" you're basically saying that, so long as it works, it's fine and beaut for one section of society to have more rights than others so long as the others are happy to cop it sweet and provide those rights - at their expense - to the lucky ones?

Do you mean things like:

- everyone pays a little extra for their food so that it can have a stamp on it saying its suitable for consumption by the self-elected special people?

- public swimming pools are blocked off on certain days so that the women of the self-elected special people can have a swim without any non-special people (whose rates pay for the pool) can catch a glimpse of them?

- public streets blocked every Friday while the special people pray in the streets?

- the women of the special people are allowed special privileges, like keeping their faces covered in banks and airports, where any non-special people attempting to do so would be denied access and probably arrested as a security risk?

I won't even get started on the perks of being a Bumi Putra in Malaysia, like lower interest rates, preferred housing, education and scholarships, Bumi-only jobs to name just a few, that are not available to non-Malay citizens whose families have lived in Malaya/Malaysia for many generations.
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Old 13th Jan 2015, 14:47
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Andu, you forgot to mention to chuboy that in Malaysia the Muslim Sharia court has supremacy over and above the civil court that the rest of the plebs are subject to.
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Old 13th Jan 2015, 21:38
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Andu, never said inequality was fine. But inequality is not unique to countries inhabited by muslims. Something which you seem to have overlooked.

How many countries allow a select portion of citizens to get married but not others? The justification for such a rule is the appeal to tradition, one which fundamentally imposes religious views on everyone.

Hell, forget marriage. How many (Christian) countries still outright ban homosexuality?

There are parts of the USA where it is technically illegal for atheists to hold public office.

Western countries are far from eligible to hold a moral high ground as far as discrimination is concerned. The problem exists independent of Muslims.

By the way I'm not sure which of your rather petty complaints supports your contention that Muslims have greater rights than others. Are Hindu women banned from swimming pools on ladies day, or is it simply a male-free zone on certain days (similar to spas on Germany)? What types of food in Malaysia cost more because of halal certification? I haven't tried wearing a burqa to circumvent the requirement to identify myself before passing through immigration at KLIA, nor have I used a bank branch in years, so I can't comment on that.

Your comment about bumi puteras is irrelevant because it does not afford greater rights to Muslim people exclusively. Whether it is a fair policy is not the topic of discussion.

Interesting that Malaysians must identify as Muslim or non-Muslim on their ID cards, in order to establish the applicability of sharia law. Based on the hysteria in the thread you would think sharia law would apply to everyone considering how many muzzers live in the country.
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Old 14th Jan 2015, 00:35
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chuboy, I think you'll find that in his comments about closed off public swimming pools for 'special people' on certain days and being allowed into banks and airports with the face covered Andu was not referring to Malaysia, but Australia.

Isn't there a local council in Melbourne that has spent $40,000 on a curtain over the windows in their local swimming pool to give the muslim women privacy from passing males on their muslim women only swimming mornings?

Oh, and could you define 'petty' please?
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Old 14th Jan 2015, 02:04
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chuboy, I think you'll find that in his comments about closed off public swimming pools for 'special people' on certain days and being allowed into banks and airports with the face covered Andu was not referring to Malaysia, but Australia.
I understood him to be talking about Malaysia. Either way my response is the same.

Isn't there a local council in Melbourne that has spent $40,000 on a curtain over the windows in their local swimming pool to give the muslim women privacy from passing males on their muslim women only swimming mornings?
I wouldn't know. Who really cares if the swimming pool made a free decision to spend the money? Let me guess, it also bothers you that shops pay contractors put up and take down Christmas decorations even though you don't personally believe in Jesus?

Oh, and could you define 'petty' please?
I mean petty as in surely if the Islamic invasion is as bad as they say worse things would be happening to Malaysian people?

As an aside, I was in Kuala Lumpur late last year and found the Christmas decorations in the shopping centres there to be more extensive and magnificent than in any Christian country I have had the pleasure of visiting
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Old 14th Jan 2015, 12:39
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Didn't take long for Tony Dum Dum to bring out the sick tax.
Is there any chance that he will bring out something that may get voted through.
Meanwhile Peter Dumber has been voted by the medical fraternity the worst health minister in living memory, even exceeding Dum Dums effort.
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Old 14th Jan 2015, 13:20
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Perhaps you might have a solution to the black hole that is Medicare, and only growing. Its all well and good to criticize, but a solution would be good.
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Old 14th Jan 2015, 14:45
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Rh, are you drunk? Surely you know they don't do solutions. They proved that last time they were in charge.
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Old 14th Jan 2015, 20:49
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I honestly don't think Ethel is old enough to vote yet. At least, I hope so.

Ethel, as I've said before, your comments might be considered cutting-edge wit in the lunch room at YoungGetUp, but for most people over 18 years of age, they come across as puerile.

How would you fix the bottomless pit that is Medicare? Borrow more?
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Old 14th Jan 2015, 20:52
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Ethel, if Prime Minister Abbott and Minister for Health Dutton are Dum Dum and Dumber, what were Gillard and Roxon? (Not their questionable personal characteristics, but their performance as PM and minister.)
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