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War in Australia (any Oz Politics): the Original

Old 3rd Jan 2015, 22:04
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Although a good step in the right direction the new policy merely details penalties for not attending job interviews. Clearly this is an indicator of how generous welfare in Australia is when many dole bludgers can’t even be bothered to turn up for an interview. And all a dole bludger has to do is turn up for an interview to have their welfare payments paid again. This is symptomatic of a much larger issue that governments of any political persuasion do not seem to have the cajones to address; ie that the whole system of welfare must be overhauled, particularly what assistance is available and how to access it.
Dr Goldy from ACOSS says that the job market is ‘brutal’ at the moment. I don’t care how many knock-backs they get, that is no excuse for what is essentially laziness. I like how Dr Goldy (‘doctor’ of what I wonder) then links this to depression as if that is an excuse for fraudulent use of tax-payer's money. Sure jobs are hard to get, however it is not an excuse for giving up looking. In my opinion Dr Goldy’s bleating merely illustrate the lefty welfare state mentality generated in the Whitlam era.
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Old 4th Jan 2015, 01:50
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A good article by Grace Collier in today's Australian which you can read here without having to battle a pay wall.

Abbott government risks losing support unless it changes policies

The question is: will Tony Abbott heed it?
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Old 4th Jan 2015, 03:59
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Meghan Hopper, the Labor Mayor of Morelend, north of Melbourne, finds the following statement, which the Federal Government demands she should read out at a citizenship ceremony on Jan 26th, totally unacceptable. Apparently, it flies in the face of all she holds near and dear.

Welcome Message from the Minister

Today you inherit a legacy provided by previous generations of Australians who have made our country what it is, and the people we are today.

I acknowledge our Indigenous Australians who were the first people to place their footprints on this magnificent land. For us who followed we all share in a migrant heritage whether we arrived recently like some of our new citizens today or whether our families have been here for many generations.
The Australian story is one of courage, mateship, endurance and sacrifice. It is our duty to honour the contribution of previous generations and to uphold the values that guided them and have stood the test of time. This is regardless of our race, ethnicity, religion or background.

In their gift we are truly united as Australians all, and this is how we should live together, as Australians first and always.

This year we celebrate the 65th anniversary of Australian citizenship. On 26 January 1949, the Nationality and Citizenship Act 1948 came into effect, creating the new status of Australian citizen.

Since then, more than four and a half million people have done what you are about to do make a commitment to Australia and its people.

Together as citizens we will continue to ensure that Australia remains the best country in the world to live.

By taking this important step today, you understand that this is a serious responsibility.

I thank you for the contribution you will make and for the Australian legacy you will leave.

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Old 4th Jan 2015, 04:14
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I'm not familiar with that particular 'politician'.
I am sitting here wondering just what was so 'unacceptable' to her.
Perhaps she should seek some counselling.
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Old 4th Jan 2015, 05:24
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Here's the link. I meant to put it in the first post.

self importance of mayor may stop citizenship ceremonies

Moreland City Council mayor Meghan Hopper told Mr Morrison she did not want to read aloud the message because of the government’s controversial asylum seeker policies.
Her letter to Mr Morrison states: “In my introductory speech as mayor, I made a commitment to uphold Moreland’s tradition of support for asylum seekers. This is a commitment I intend to honour”.
Ms Hopper, an ALP member, said Moreland had made a concerted effort in recent years to welcome asylum seekers and refugees and that the minister’s message conflicted with the council’s policy.
“Many citizens-to-be at Moreland are former asylum seekers,” she said.
“I do not feel comfortable acting as a spokesperson when it comes to personal messages from the minister. I feel that the reading of a message from the minister in fact politicises what should be an apolitical occasion, as does threatening to remove Moreland’s ability to confer citizenship.”
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Old 4th Jan 2015, 06:26
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We should take careful note of these asylum-seeker supporters, and compile comprehensive lists of their names and those of their associates. It is so obliging of them to make themselves so prominent, it saves hours of investigation. It may also aid the prosecutions - when they come.

The forthcoming Australian Civil War will not be a pretty thing, but then no civil war ever is.
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Old 4th Jan 2015, 07:33
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Not for nothing is it known as the People's Republic of Moreland

Currently serving as Mayor of the City of Moreland, I was originally elected to Council in October 2012 to represent the people of Moreland South Ward. My key objectives in my Mayoral year include achieving strong urban planning outcomes, pursuing Council's advocacy objectives around the State election campaign, improving community safety, and supporting leading arts and library facilities. I am proud to be only the second woman elected Mayor in Moreland's history and part of an all-female Mayor, Deputy Mayor and CEO team.

Outside of local government, I am a professional and academic with experience in the fields of Higher Education, Australian politics, political journalism, communications and campaigns, and gender. I have had experience sitting on a number of boards and committees with a particular emphasis on the higher education and not-for-profit sectors. Currently on leave from a PhD in political journalism at Monash University - where I sit on University Council - I have previous qualifications from RMIT University and Monash, and have graduated from the Australian Institute of Company Directors and the Women's Campaign School at Yale.
Also Communications Officer for Emily's List, President of the Council of Australian Postgraduate Associations, ALP Campaign Organiser; all in all a shining example of the lunatic left.
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Old 4th Jan 2015, 20:58
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Am I the only one who feels that Tony Abbott is sticking true to form and sending yet another mixed message to the Australian electorate in promising yet another five million dollars of aid to Iraq? We're supposed to be broke and hugely - and increasingly - in debt, and yet we give yet more money to a foreign government.

I'm also thoroughly confused about what our government thinks it's achieving dropping smart bombs and guided missiles worth many hundreds of thousands of dollars a copy on clapped out Toyota pickup trucks. In fact, apart from 'buying futures insurance' from the Americans, as we've been doing in a succession of wars since 1950, I'm also at a loss about what our government thinks it's achieving by having our F18s over there at all. The F18 deployment is another mixed message - it is said to be costing half a billion dollars a year. Money we don't have. I know that a lot of that money would be spent if the F18s were parked at Amberley, but the fact remains, deploying them is another mixed message to an electorate constantly being told that we must all tighten our fiscal belts.

I would so love to see Tony Abbott come out swinging in the political sense in January, presenting a very different and far more aggressive persona to the electorate than the damp squib one he has presented to us over the last 12 months. What I heard on the radio this morning, with him giving away more borrowed money to people who will not appreciate it, does not reassure me that I will see this.

I fear that, solely because of his failure to properly exploit winning government from the appalling disaster that was Labor under Gillard and Rudd, we face the real possibility of seeing those same incompetents returned to power after three short years, and led by someone who shows all the signs of being an even bigger incompetent than both Gillard and Rudd.
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Old 4th Jan 2015, 22:32
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Giving a few bucks to Iraqi is not going to break the bank. The economy needs systematics to be fixed. MH370 costs, the odd war, all in the noise. The law of large numbers is whats killing us, systematic small costs across a population. Until we get in place a systematic economic fix, everything else is irrelevant, Abbotts just treading water until they can think of a way to implement a workable solution, meanwhile life goes on.

As for the strategic benefits of IRAQI, do we really need to say it, "Alliance". The current system their using to defeat ISIS is a waste, yes it may mean a short term gain if they achieve some objetives, but the root cause will still be there.
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Old 4th Jan 2015, 22:54
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Has she ever had a job that contributes to the economy rather than relying on the taxpayer?
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Old 5th Jan 2015, 01:10
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rh, maybe I didn't express myself as well as I might have. The point I was trying to make is the mixed message. Rudd and Gillard turned perception of policy into being far more important than the actual delivery of policy, and whether we like it or not, perception is still incredibly important in winning over the support of Joe Public. The government is trying - or should that be SHOULD be trying - to sell the idea to the public that we all must rein in our expectations, particularly in regards to what everyone feels is their entitlement to handouts from the government purse. But every time that same government is seen to be giving money away, particularly to foreign governments, it sends a mixed message to that same electorate that if there's money available for that, why should they need to rein in their expectations?

I fear that this mixed message, exploited by Labor with the ever-willing support of the MSM, that the Coalition punishes the little man while handing out tax breaks to its rich mates, could see a return of a labor government in 2016.
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Old 5th Jan 2015, 01:56
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You're certainly right about the 'perception' bit.
What seems to be happening is that the Libs feel that rearranging the deck-chairs is going to impress an increasingly disenchanted electorate.

As I'd said before, can't we do better than this?
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Old 5th Jan 2015, 01:56
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I'm worried about Abbott too, Andu. He talked the talk before the 2014 election, but some sort of paralysis seems to have set in. He's losing points to Shorten, who is really offering nothing, when he should be making mincemeat of him.

Among other things, Shorten's strategy of denying that there is a debt problem and repeating that the ALP were good managers and could be again should be laughed out of court, but Abbott isn't responding to it effectively at all.

All you can hear is the Left howling that Abbott is a huge problem, and the conservative media (which the Left howls about too) insisting he isn't, but from Abbott himself? He seems weak in defence, and content to just cop it.

He has only two years to shape up. They'll go past very quickly, and there is almost nothing that the ALP and AWU won't do to get their hands on power again.
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Old 5th Jan 2015, 02:30
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Ref. the Moreland Mayor. Obviously just another Left sided parasite.
If she has objections to reading out what the Federal Govt. of the day wants her to then she should just stand aside and let her deputy do the job.
If none of her mates want the job then I'll volunteer as it is definitely not a requirement of a citizenship ceremony that it has to be performed by a Mayor, or any other politician, of any persuasion.
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Old 5th Jan 2015, 04:17
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Meanwhile, in inner Melbourne -

Homeless camp reminder of what's bad about Melbourne
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Old 5th Jan 2015, 20:06
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The first Paul Murray show for the year last night on Sky would not have been comfortable listening for anyone in the Abbott government. If you missed it, I think it's available online. Derrin Hinch's editorial (the first few minutes) I hope will be played to Tony Abbott by his minders when he comes back from the Middle East. I hope even more that he will heed it.

The other point of interest was the Greens woman on the panel. I missed her name, but now I realise that SHY is not alone - there are others in the Greens who are equally out of touch with reality as SHY. It is truly scary to think that there are adults out there with such addled minds who are willing to go on television to display how addled their thinking is. Her comments on the GST -and the taxes the Greens would introduce to replace it - were bewildering, to put it mildly.

Rowan Dean was on a hiding to nowhere trying to defend Abbott and the government. I don't think even he really believed what he was saying.

If you haven't seen Tim Blair's predictions for 2015 on his blog, do yourself a favour and read them. Very funny.
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Old 5th Jan 2015, 21:42
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Watched to Channel 9 news this morning and was informed that Perth was expecting it's 6th. highest temperature ever today. Must be pretty high then, I thought, poor West Aussies they must be in for a real scorcher but no, the "news" item continued and finally came up with a high of 36 !
Must be 'global warming'.
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Old 5th Jan 2015, 22:00
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ABC Radio News yesterday breathlessly announced Perth had experienced its hottest January day on record at 44.6C.

Two hours later, they had watered it down to the fourth hottest January day since 1976.

And they wonder why Warmists have a credibility problem with their Chicken Little utterances.
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Old 6th Jan 2015, 11:45
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So..whatever do they do?

Unemployment in my home State has steadily increased under the present 'Right wing' State 'gummint', productivity has decreased, things are going backwards..yet after several years with their hands on the 'economic reigns' they are still costing the State many many millions of dollars....and somewhat audaciously blaming it on the previous bunch

So, whatever do they do....the ever increasing unemployed under a LNP (conservative right wing) 'Gummint' in Queensland??

All very well for the likes of the mega superannuated politicians, voting themselves 25% pay increase inside of 12 months to require the unemployed to apply for 20 jobs a month....the likes of far right want the unemployed to apply for 40 jobs a month!!! That is more than one a day!!!..you know what....there are simply not that many Jobs to go around......there really are not.......looking in my local paper at least......if you did happen to jag an interview in an out of State town...$100 a week dole / welfare will not permit you to travel there and back...and in the unlikely event they were appointed to the job....how could they ever manage the move....fiscally impossible!!! How out of touch are these clowns....Oh but we have yet another XX Million to throw at Iraq, who are hell bent on sending people to further destroy our way of life!!!

Thank you LNP.....you've disappointed at least as well as the previous mob

But tell me this......now that your policies have actively contributed to increased unemployment...what is your strategy to reduce that increased unemployment? I have heard of plenty of 'gummint' employees sacked and p aid out, because of ideological preferences, only to be re- hired as consultants on far higher wages....all well and good....but for it being an utter squandering of my money by a 'right wing' administration....

So again....these increasing numbers of unemployed as evidenced since right wing parties gained power......'Whatever do they do?'

Their only option is to apply for jobs as Surgeons? Lawyers? Skilled Care providers?....I know from first hand experience (Many ,many years ago, that applying for a job and actually receiving an acknowledgement that you even applied are two very different things....so how does the genuinely right wing crowd propose people apply for jobs that they have not a snow balls chance in hell of even getting a look into, let alone having enough money to travel to a job interview????

Genuine question...

So whatever do they do?......claim more as yet unannounced gummint benefits in order to complete courses for jobs that simply are not there?

Is that different to University's selling their 'School Teacher' courses knowing there ain't the places available, whilst happily taking the money for courses that therein lies no future????
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Old 6th Jan 2015, 17:23
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the likes of far right want the unemployed to apply for 40 jobs a month!!! That is more than one a day!!!..
There are plenty of job sites now that have an "add all to basket" or "apply to all" button, it's dead easy to send off hundreds of applications for no effort.

Pity the poor sod at the other end, though, like my wife, who is currently ploughing through her share (1/4) of 400 applications for a single job.
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