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War in Australia (any Oz Politics): the Original

Old 24th Dec 2014, 05:29
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Worrals ... without seeing either side through 'rose coloured glasses' I do know that the Australian Labour, and for that matter the British Labour party, are just pretending when they purport to be on the side of the 'workers'. Neither of these two organisations have been socialist in the true sense of the word for many long years.
And the use of 10 year olds up chimneys has long been gone despite what the chardonnay lovers of Sussex St..... most of whom will never produce anything worthwhile until the day they are placed in a plot in the local cemetery..... would have us all believe.
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Old 24th Dec 2014, 05:52
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Agree with you Bosnich, it is difficult to differentiate the two parties.


Animal Farm, when the animals looking through the window couldn't tell the difference between the Pigs and Humans, comes to mind
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Old 24th Dec 2014, 06:29
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Two more Muslim terrorist wannabies up before the beak today as part of an ongoing counter-terrorism investigation into the alleged planning of a plot related to killing of random people in the Blue Mountains.
Both the feckers were refused bail. When they eventually go to trial, the challenge before the judiciary will be to act in accordance with the best interests of the public, rather than in the best interests of the crooks as is usual practice (gee, I hope I’m not being ‘libelous’!).
Wonder if the usual Muslim apologists will also try to explain this as ‘unrepresentative’ and deny all knowledge as Keysar Trad tried to do with respect to that Islamic pin-up boy Monis.
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Old 24th Dec 2014, 07:08
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Safest bet in town will be that they'll get off with a slap over the wrist with a damp lettuce - and probably then go on to claim compensation. And ***ing get it!

If the cops had been really on the ball and followed up on the warning they were given on Monis and arrested him, he'd be out on bail by now and John Robertson, who'd still be Leader of the Opposition, would be writing another letter begging he be let out on compassionate grounds - and the ABC and Fairfax would be in overdrive about police overreaction and Tony Abbott manipulating the matter for political gain.

Surest bet in town.
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Old 24th Dec 2014, 11:13
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Owen .... Animal Farm was on our reading list at my school in U.K. .. 1950s'... I wonder if that would be allowed these days.
It's worth reading Orwell's "Homage to Catalonia" for his realisation that not all left wing organisations are the same
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Old 26th Dec 2014, 03:39
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There you go Worrals, fixed it!

And all the Libs are concerned with is supporting big business and multi-national corporations. They aspire to do so by keeping the workers firmly in gainful employment, i.e Grateful To Have A Job and be able to support their family. Tax breaks are for the Big Kids who pay Big Bucks to enable them to expand their business and employ yet more people. They continually monitor workers' conditions to keep the unions at bay and then the militant trade unions have the balls to try and tell us their obstructionist extortions are For Our Own Good; that's what's really ing insulting.
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Old 26th Dec 2014, 19:11
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WTF? Going bush into the Blue Mountains - some really unforgiving country - to kill random bush walkers and tourists, when they could do the same thing, with the same result, (witness the Martin Place reaction), from the safety and comfort of their re-badged Beemers in a high speed drive by? Someone on 'our side' is either making this guerrilla warfare shit up or we're dealing with some real Walts.
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Old 27th Dec 2014, 12:24
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Fubaar,
You got it.
What [email protected] dreamed that one up?
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Old 27th Dec 2014, 23:56
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The Great GST Ripoff!

The prospect of an increase in the application of GST to Internet sales particularly from overseas is being raised again.
Relentless pressure from retailers, State Government greedily eyeing perceived increased revenues is driving this however; internet sales clearly demonstrate how the avaricious retailers have been ripping us of for years.
  1. Computer program instruction book: Au$76; Amazon: Au$39 delivered
  2. Ford fuel pump Aus price $2750 delivered from US $475
  3. Ford front end suspension parts Aus price 1356 a pair, from US $102 a pair freight $155: AU$257 delivered
  4. Prada/Dior sunglasses Aus price S276, from overseas $126-$156;
  5. one could go on and on.


Additionally, State Governments are likewise driving this who it should be remembered, were supposed to drop all the State taxes and charges with the introduction of GST; did not happen did it?
Now they say they are short of money and seek to use this to fill their coffers. Way past time the State Government budgeted, lived within their means.

The retailers have been lazy over the years sitting back fat, dumb and happy just copping increases in rents, wages, taxes, etc. instead of fighting these increase tooth and nail; No, they just passed the costs on.

Retailing is constantly evolving, the Fuller Brush Man, Watkins Man (door to door) overtaken by the retailers, mail order catalogues gone, the small shop owner squeezed out of business by the large department stores.
The internet now provides the next evolution exposing and displaying how much we, the consumer are being ripped off by unscrupulous, capricious retailers.

The internet demonstrates constantly the extent of how much we are constantly ripped off.
  1. What happened to the removal of all tariffs Government said were for our benefit enabling us to compete in a Global economy?
  2. What happened to the much touted Free Trade Agreements we are constantly told are so good for us by both State and Federal politicians?
  3. Does the application of GST to Internet/International sales contradict these?

Message to All Politicians: Change this at your peril.

It is just another TAX increase which will not, repeat not, stop people shopping online.

Email, Write Telephone your local Member and do not forget your State Senators strongly objecting to any changes to the current application of this GST!
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Old 28th Dec 2014, 03:20
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... one could go on and on.
Let me add,

5. Toyota Soarer Ancillary belt, idler tensioner from the local Dealer A$800.00. Direct from Canada Toyota A$253.00 delivered. Methinks GST is only part of the problem, there are some horrific mark-ups within supplier chains.
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Old 28th Dec 2014, 03:34
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Piers Ackerman addresses the Peta Credlin issue in his latest article. And a bit more. I think he's on the money when he says that many conservative voters are highly disillusioned with Tony Abbott.
Labor is still successfully wooing public opinion with promises which could never be fulfilled. It is still making claims about its own record that are palpably nonsense.
It has only been able to make ground with its humbug because the Coalition has appeared disorganised and lacking in resolve.
Mainstream Coalition supporters feel they have been deserted. They were dismayed when the government gave a prestigious ambassadorial appointment to former Democrats leader Natasha Stott Despoja, an unabashed supporter of self-confessed terrorist trainee David Hicks, and they questioned the appointment of former Labor minister Greg Combet to a government panel on SPC’s restructure.
They feel the government’s first Budget was woefully constructed and promoted.
They see two Abbotts. One who is intrepid when addressing foreign policy issues but who appears tentative when talking about domestic policy.
The Coalition would be loath to replace Abbott but the very fact that such a drastic measure is being discussed and that there is no longer an assumption that Labor is unelectable underlines the seriousness of the government’s problems.
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Old 28th Dec 2014, 03:35
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Davis Weather Station, from Davis (Australia) = A$639.00


Same station, direct from Davis (USA) = A$369.00 delivered.
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Old 28th Dec 2014, 04:06
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Takan Inchovit, parabellum

Thanks Guy/Guyesses: just add them to the list and send them to your local MP/Senator

Let them know we have had enough.

Any More??
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Old 28th Dec 2014, 04:30
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Guys, you haven't said whether those costs comparisons are physical shop front or internet?

I personnally don't like the idea of GST on internet sales but, really 10% on a $39 product, who cares 10% on a sh!t load cheaper is stuff all.

Yes the retailer are cracking the sh!ts, but thats on lt the start they know there's more to it than 10%.

Now think about it for a moment, from a psychological perspective when we walk into a shop, we like to see variety, whether that be Harveys or a cafe. How much of that stock gets sold or written off?

In effect a particular amount of the markup needs to go to cover the cost of a lot of sh!t they don,t sell, all so a shop looks all nice and fancy for us plebes when we walk in. Then there's the staff, the staff employed under Australian conditions, conditions such as safety, leave loading, insurance, $100 a day plus child care, etc etc.

Yes there are rip offs, but frankly store costs are always significantly higher than on line ones, even on line in Australia. Basically we want our cake and eat it too.
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Old 28th Dec 2014, 05:02
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rh200; good contribution however, the prices so far quoted are an indication of just how much the retailers are ripping us off.

Why, how can they justify 50-705 off on their Boxing Day sales? Or other sales throughout the year?

Is the original quoted price justifiable?

In effect a particular amount of the markup needs to go to cover the cost of a lot of sh!t they don,t sell, all so a shop looks all nice and fancy for us plebes when we walk in. Then there's the staff, the staff employed under Australian conditions, conditions such as safety, leave loading, insurance, $100 a day plus child care, etc etc.
It is called doing business!
Yes these costs need be covered, considered however, many are applicable elsewhere (agreed perhaps not to the same extent) however, for years retailers sat back and copping these immediately passing on the cost to the consumer. Australian consitions? it is about living in a global community; no tariffs, Free Trade agreements, etc, good for everyone else but but the consumer who -guess who pays for it in the end?

We, as dummies, just copped it.

Yes it can be pleasant to walk into a shop, feel, try things on, get advice, compare articles and goods however, we often (and should) compare prices with the retailers competitors often finding surprising variations. Shopping on the internet provides instant comparison with price differential usually illustrating just how great the mark is by Australian retailers.

What has happened is internet shopping has had an effect of lowering prices here making them more competitive with overseas. I give golf equipment as one example where the price differential has changed markedly equipment here now being basically similar to the US.

Basically we want our cake and eat it too
We sure do and now we have been awoken to the giant rip-off times are a changing.

Do not forget the role of State Governments here who are equally complicit in getting as much of YOUR money as they can.
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Old 28th Dec 2014, 10:17
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It a simple fact that at the end of the day a company has to make a profit. Another words when integrated across all stock, there has to be a net profit.

Hence if a shop has 10 000 line items but say 20% are in the 1 sigma of sales and 30% in the etc, you can easily see how the large profit on the most sold item gets whittled away on supporting the unsold.

Most items with have anything from at least 50% to 70% or more on top. You can see this with various large distrubutors when you buy in their store or you have a corporate account and get it on line and delivered.

Hence if large online (ones with shop fronts too) distrubutors can sell to corporate at a profit with 50% off, then their margin must be higher again.

(It always p!sses me off when I go in on the weekend and want to buy some goodys personally, and know how much they cost on the corporate account)

The totally online ones are even easier, they just send the orders though to distribution and they can get collated, very little overhead.

Basically at the end of the day, do we want a shop to walk into? If so where are the costs going to give, maybe we can hire third world people. Its a social conundrum, as long as its not forced to quickly it will sort itself out.

Hence throwing 10% on on-line items doesn't worry me, it will just add a buffer for a while. So its back to, if you can get it on-line for a significant percentage cheaper, do you really care about 10%?

Why, how can they justify 50-705 off on their Boxing Day sales? Or other sales throughout the year?
The margin is why they can, then turnover at next to no margin, couple with various tax dodges they can do at different levels.

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Old 28th Dec 2014, 22:30
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The points raised are valid however; I/we shop where we get service and value for money which internet shopping certainly provides whilst illustrating how Australian retailers have been ripping us off unmercifully for years.

The margins for the same goods between here and overseas cannot be justified. Some of the prices I quoted and are aware of were from similar retailers to here i.e. the Ford fuel pump was from the Ford dealer in Palo Alto, CA, USA.

Agreed 10% may make little difference and not deter people from shopping on line but it is 10% today – what will it be tomorrow?

It is the principle which counts; retailers have been unscrupulously ripping us off for years and the example given `the margin is why they can, then turnover at next to no margin, couple with various tax dodges they can do at different levels.’ is another illustration of the devious practices at hand. True the complete tax system is one giant mess requiring a fix.

Couple this with practices such as charging fees to use ones credit card, fees to print receipt/tickets, fees to deposit and withdraw YOUR/OUR money from the bank, the manner in which companies, Government have backrooms full of clerks, bureaucrats devising fees, commissions, charges, postage and handling to be added to the cost of all goods and services particularly local government rates and utility (gas, electricity & water) our hard earned salaries are being continuously seriously mined.

As I quoted earlier retailing is constantly evolving the large retailers with little scruples pressurising the small retailer out of business; the internet is the next evolution which retailers have to accept becoming competitive in or they too will disappear.
Along similar lines the previous idea of charging `postage’ for email could be resurrected with a sound case being made to justify this as the Post Office mail services are struggling for profit whilst doing very nicely from internet sales. (not that we would not mention this presenting our case.)
  • What happened to the removal of all tariffs Government said were for our benefit enabling us to compete in a Global economy?
  • What happened to the much touted Free Trade Agreements we are constantly told are so good for us by both State and Federal politicians?
  • Does the application of GST to Internet/International sales contradict these?

Government, State and Federal, are continuously searching for ways and means to increase taxes upon us however, to do so assisting unscrupulous, rapacious retailers in their quest to overcharge us is no longer an acceptable practice or option.
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Old 28th Dec 2014, 23:34
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It's not just retailers. How about holiday resorts, restaurants and hotels? How many times have you walked away from any of these in Australia feeling thoroughly ripped off by ridiculously high charges and piss poor service?

Surely there must be some Australian proprietors who recognise that a customer who walks away feeling he's been given value for money provides the best advertising known to man - word of mouth. He tells friends about it and some of those friends will go to the place on that recommendation.

The opposite applies. Is it any wonder so many Australians flock to Fiji and Bali rather than to similar places, often with far better beaches, in Australia?

And while I'm on a roll, and since this is an aviation site, there's the national airline. Don't get me started there.
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Old 28th Dec 2014, 23:54
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Ken Lay,Commissioner Victoria Police Force, announced his retirement this morning due to his wife's illness.
A pity as he was a 'proper cop' after the previous plonkers we have had here in recent years. Stand by for a return to a normal P.C. i.e. labour appointment I suppose.
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Old 29th Dec 2014, 00:13
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Agreed: restored respect, propriety and professionalism to VicPol.

When interviewed would always give an honest straight answer; where he did not know the answer; where it was `politically sensitive'; security sensitive he would indicate so and or get back with an answer later.

Good honest copper who will be missed.
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