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War in Australia (any Oz Politics): the Original

Old 15th Dec 2014, 12:56
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Yep, it is breaking on Sky now. Said it before, I will say it again, these are the people that Two Dads and her band of merry men expect us to welcome with open arms.

The have named him as well. On top of the charges Cooda listed, you can throw in sexual assults as well, 22 of them according to 2gb. But I'm sure he just misunderstood. Just ask Sarah.

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Old 15th Dec 2014, 14:13
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She should be happy, because some kind person has let him out on bail so that he could carry on assaulting women.

I'm sure he just needs a hug. If he gets out of this alive I expect to see her there to greet him.
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Old 15th Dec 2014, 15:28
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1 hostage confirmed dead. 2 in critical condition in hospital. Just being reported another hostage has just died in hospital.

I sincerely hope Sarah crawls into a deep hole, and is never seen again for a very very very long time.

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Old 15th Dec 2014, 19:08
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Took a while, but eventually shoot to kill.
Perhaps the resultant civilian deaths will cause a earlier response, next time.
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Old 15th Dec 2014, 21:36
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Looking forward to Sarah HhyphehY's spin on this. It should be illuminating.
It will be more predictable than illuminating I'm afraid.

It will be Tony Abbot's fault. (She knows no other possibility)
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Old 15th Dec 2014, 21:57
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It's obviously Tony Abbott's fault that he has been driven to such desperate measures to draw attention to his plight.
It will be Tony Abbot's fault. (She knows no other possibility)
Of course it is!

Whilst said possibly tongue in cheek the evidence being revealed indicates much blame lies at the hands of one KRudd, his band of incompetent cronies ably assited by Sarah, Christine, et al.
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Old 15th Dec 2014, 22:34
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In all fairness to Rudd, the dropkick arrived in 1996 and was given permanent residency in 2001.

The spotlight will doubtless focus on the NSW judicial system, which allowed him to remain on the streets.

I am finding the media/political commentary overblown, saccharine laced, cliché filled, vomit inducing pap. Am I a sociopath?
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Old 15th Dec 2014, 23:46
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I am finding the media/political commentary overblown, saccharine laced, cliché filled, vomit inducing pap. Am I a sociopath?
Cooda; I support your comment! Re your question; No you are not. Just a realist!
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Old 16th Dec 2014, 02:57
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So, Joe Hockey delivered the much anticipated 'make or break for the Abbott government ' MYEFO yesterday. Am I the only one to have not heard any mention of it in the news today?
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Old 16th Dec 2014, 05:07
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I heard it mentioned on ABC Radio as an intro for some labor nonentity to provide unchallenged criticism. Situation normal.
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Old 16th Dec 2014, 08:11
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I'm waiting for Short Willy to accuse Abbott of releasing bad news on a day when there's something major happening in Sydney.
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Old 16th Dec 2014, 10:20
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Did anyone else pick up the announcement yesterday afternoon (I heard it on 3LO) that 'after this break, we will cross to an address to the nation by the opposition leader, Bill Shorten'?

WTF?

"Address to the nation"
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Old 16th Dec 2014, 10:28
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Does that mean the Prime Minister has Right of Reply?

If it's the address I caught a bit of on radio, he was too whiney to impress as an oratorical national leader. But that's what he appeared to be aiming at.
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Old 16th Dec 2014, 14:37
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Still being fed the same bull::: that kidnapping, violence etc is not part of Islam. Waiting in vain for an honest mainstream reporter to drop a career ending clanger by pointing out the absurdity of this line to the Fifth Columnists they keep giving airtime to.
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Old 16th Dec 2014, 19:22
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Still being fed the same bull::: that kidnapping, violence etc is not part of Islam. Waiting in vain for an honest mainstream reporter to drop a career ending clanger by pointing out the absurdity of this line to the Fifth Columnists they keep giving airtime to.
Today's editorial in the Melbourne Herald Sun is heading the right way;

TWO Australians are dead because of what has been a systemic failure of the nation’s defences against terrorism. This has happened across the front line of what is now a war on Australian soil.

No one should be in any doubt that Islamic extremism was a significant factor in the taking of hostages at the Lindt cafe in Sydney and the deaths of cafe manager Tori Johnson and mother of three Katrina Dawson. Four other hostages were injured.

The failures the Herald Sun refers to are not the actions of the New South Wales police, who attempted to resolve the hostage crisis peacefully through negotiation and stormed the Lindt cafe only when shots were heard inside and hostages were seen through the windows falling down.

The broader failures must be confronted before any further lives are lost in terrorist attacks or lone wolf incidents as appears to be the case in the Martin Place siege.

These failures include lax immigration checks, soft sentencing and allowing bail to serious offenders who should be behind bars.

Self-styled Islamist sheik Man Haron Monis was free to roam the streets after being charged as an accessory to murder in the horrific killing of his former wife. The body of Noleen Hayson Pal was found in an apartment in April last year after firefighters responded to a call. She had suffered multiple stab wounds and been set alight.

Her former husband’s partner was charged with the murder as well as helping Monis send highly abusive letters to the families of Australians killed in Afghanistan.

Obviously well acquainted with the Australian legal system, they mounted a High Court challenge arguing that their right to free speech had been infringed.

They lost, but many Australians will question why Monis, well known to police and security agencies for his public rants, was free on bail.

His hatred led him to the Lindt cafe in Sydney’s CBD, where he took 17 innocent people hostage, most of them seeking nothing more than an early morning cup of coffee.

He carried a bag holding a pump-action shotgun and flags emblazoned with an Arabic phrase, innocent in itself but appropriated by several terror groups: “There is no God but Allah; Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.’’

Those who opposed the Federal Government’s strengthening of security laws should be in no doubt these laws are necessary. That was always the case after Melbourne teenager Numan Haider stabbed two police officers who had arranged to talk to him about his activities.

Before the Haider attack, the attention of the Australian public was centred on what were thought to be likely outrages involving numbers of terrorists using explosives. Australia’s law enforcement and security agencies were successful in thwarting such attacks, but the Haider incident in Melbourne and calls from Islamic State for a beheading in Australia gave rise to the possibility of the “lone wolf’’ incident.

Anti-terror experts in the United States and Australia say these are the most difficult to guard against. Despite the evidence, there are still people who prefer to think such actions are those of the deranged and misguided. The reality is that Islamic extremism is part of the motivation for these attacks.

Australia must be mature enough to confront the unsettling fact that radical Islam is a direct threat to the safety and wellbeing of all Australians. There is no point in dancing around this issue. These latest actions are not simply those of a deranged criminal.

Like Numan Haider’s unprovoked attack, they are the actions of a deranged Islamist. Australia must learn new ways to counter terrorists, some of whom are homegrown.

The Herald Sun makes no apology for stating this. There is no intention on our part to cause a division with Islamic communities in Australia. The vast majority of Muslims are peaceful and law-abiding people and one positive that can be taken from what has happened is that Muslim organisations are now unified in condemning the violence and that hatred that spawns it.

WE are fortunate that Australia’s political leaders see this latest outrage for what it is. Prime Minister Tony Abbott proved himself in the wake of the Malaysia Airlines disaster, when 38 Australians were among the 298 passengers who died when their aircraft was shot down by a Russian missile over the Ukraine.

Mr Abbott was similarly resolute in helping to form an international coalition to turn back the murderous forces of Islamic State in Iraq.

The Iranian-born hate preacher who met his death in Martin Place arrived in Australia as a refugee in 1996 after the defeat of the Keating government by the Howard-led Coalition. Immigration Minister Scott Morrison must review why he was allowed into the country if anything were known then of his violent tendencies and political and religious extremism.

Now is not the time to search for excuses for violence. Peace comes only through continued vigilance in a violent world.

Mr Abbott states only the obvious when he says there are those who mean us harm. Mr Abbott must act afresh on the greatest threat to Australia on its home soil since World War II. Martin Place is a sea of flowers as tearful crowds gather. It must be the place where our determination to resist terrorism and extremism in all its forms takes root.
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Old 16th Dec 2014, 21:28
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To judge by the apparently set in stone policy of most of the Australian MSM, particularly the ABC, and too many of our political leadership, to maintain the fantasy that the hostage-taker was a deranged loner with no 'real'(!) association with Islamic terrorism, (even after he forced his hostages to announce on video 'that Australia was under attack by the Islamic State'), by no means all Australians have had their blinkers removed by the events in Martin Place.

You have to ask: how extreme and devastating will some future attack need to be to open these people's eyes?

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There was one man interviewed during the siege who maintained that he had literally bumped into the now dead terrorist outside the Lindt Cafe and traded insults with him. He said that the terrorist was accompanied by two other men. Surely the police need to interview this man again to see if he was a Walter Mitty who made this up, or if the dead terrorist was escorted to the cafe by two minders who then left him after ensuring he safely reached his target/destination.
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Old 16th Dec 2014, 23:23
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He said that the terrorist was accompanied by two other men. Surely the police need to interview this man again to see if he was a Walter Mitty who made this up, or if the dead terrorist was escorted to the cafe by two minders who then left him after ensuring he safely reached his target/destination.
Yes that particular bit was stated from the start by the news channels, one of the reasons I was worried. That said in these things there are always, conflicting witnesses and people trying to get the lime light.

ou have to ask: how extreme and devastating will some future attack need to be to open these people's eyes?
A lot worse than this.

To be fair, he never started executing hostages until it turned to sh!t, which was reasonable predictable. Even on the lower end of the scale it could have been a lot worse. We don't know what happened exactly when it all went down.

I'm one who's prepared to call him a terrorist, but don't over exaggerate him, he was a rank amateur, a Walter Mitty if you like that tried to put his fantasies into action.
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Old 17th Dec 2014, 00:28
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Much respect for the young bloke who was killed trying to wrest the gun from the terrorist, particularly if the reports that he'd been beaten badly for an earlier show of resistance that allowed some hostages to escape. However, I suspect the police and other professionals who were waiting to make their move at the optimum moment are privately cursing his bravery, for his move forced them into reacting to a rapidly-changing situation rather than going in with as much in their favour as it was possible to put in place.

Likewise, don't be surprised if the media breathlessly tell us that the female lawyer was in fact killed by police gunfire rather than by the terrorist. If she was, as has been reported, attempting to protect a pregnant woman, again, much respect, but, in a situation where police are storming a room where an armed terrorist is resisting them, the ONLY sensible move for a hostage is to dig him or herself into the floor tiles. Raising your head even slightly in those first few seconds, for however worthy the reason, is to put yourself at enormously extra risk.

If it transpires that the deceased female hostage - or any of those wounded - was hit by police fire, I sincerely hope the talking heads on the ABC do not follow their all to predictable agenda but instead show some balance in the way they report it.

Faint hope, I fear.
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Old 17th Dec 2014, 07:09
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With everything that is coming out about this nut job, how he received legal aid for all his appeals, how he lived all his life on welfare, how he was free to walk the streets even though he was known to the authorities as a complete whack job, Sarah and all her lefty mates must be creaming their collective pants. What a 'refugee' success story they have!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...aled-bail.html

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Old 17th Dec 2014, 12:21
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Being an American not living in Oz, it is not proper for me to make a comment.

I would like to ask a question.

Realistically speaking, in light of everything that surrounds this tragedy, what do you think will be the reaction in a political context? Will there be a serious review of the Immigration Policy, the subsidy of those Immigrants allowed into the Country, and perhaps even the way the Immigrants conduct themselves re Criminal and Extremist activities?
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