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War in Australia (any Oz Politics): the Original

Old 30th Mar 2014, 10:38
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And we acknowledge the fact that Murdoch and the others are biased - and always have been - Murdoch always says who to back in an election (well since I have been in Aus) but that is his money, he can do what he wants with it.
I read Brisbane's Courier Mail daily (more or less) from the age of twelve until the last federal election. For most of that period (since 1987) it was owned by News Corporation. Its political stance fluctuated over time, as did mine. However, it was always balanced and its reporters had a wide range of political views.

I noticed the change in about 2012; suddenly the political commentary was limited, and a bunch of journos gradually 'retired'. By the last federal election it was unquestionably biassed, and every story had an Angle . It was no longer representative of both sides of the debate, even though the last federal election's primary vote was 53-46 %, demonstrating that even after the last federal government's many cockups and well-deserved electoral defeat, the community were still roughly 50-50. The Courier declines to acknowledge this, and still runs a heavy political campaign in favour of the Libs.

In a full free market media world this wouldn't be a problem. If I lived in London or even Sydney I could choose from a number of left or right aligned newspapers, all of which publish intelligent political articles. However, in Brisbane/Gold Coast, I have one choice; Murdoch's Courier Mail or its Gold Coast Bulletin offshoot (which is arguably more balanced). The Fairfax Brisbane Times 'paper' is purely online, so there is only one newspaper, and it is now unquestionably biassed.

So I stopped buying it. After 25 years as a loyal reader I am no longer interested in what it has to say, because I can see the agenda as plain as day and I'm not interested in paying money for propaganda. If I choose to do so I can visit the LNP's webpage and view their media releases for free. I now get my news from the internet and TV, but I miss reading the formerly balanced editiorials from both sides of politics. TV doesn't supply that.

It's easy to tout the free market media concept, but we don't have a free market media in Australia. Not when the vast majority of our newspapers are owned by one corporation. It's a bit like groceries, petrol and grog; two companies control their distribution and squash would-be competitors, which is hardly free market. Likewise the print media. If you remove the ABC then all you will be left with is Murdoch and Fairfax; commercial companies pushing their commercial interests under the guise of 'news'. Sell it off and you'll get yet another commercial entity selling news as entertainment in between reality shows and ads for dodgy finance products. The ABC produces a number of great non-political shows from Rake to Playschool. D'ya reckon any commercial network would find room for Landline in between Australia's Most Feral and So You Think You can Pole Dance? I'd guess not.

I don't listen to a lot of radio, but from what I hear commercial radio is largely about being Controversial. Kyle and Jackie O seem to rule the waves by being obnoxious, trite and boring and the rest of the broadcasters follow along simpering in their wake.

This is where your arguments are valid wrt public funding; you still have a right to complain about the ABC's content and maybe the government will listen to you. If the government wrap it up or sell it off then that right is extinguished; you are left with no public news agency, just a bunch of corporate erks with their own personal agenda. Be careful what you wish for... there may come a time when Murdoch disagrees with you, and then... where are you? What can you say about it?

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Old 30th Mar 2014, 10:44
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I watch a fair bit of the SBS now and have done for years, including the news.

I quite like it.

The most biased person is the sports presenter, Craig Foster who is so pro soccer it isn't funny !!!
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Old 30th Mar 2014, 11:17
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IMO SBS is a model public broadcaster. Interesting content that isn't rampantly commercial or political. I think the ABC could learn a lot from the Special Broadcasting Service, but shutting them down isn't the way to achieve that.
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Old 30th Mar 2014, 11:18
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Yes, agree.

If the ABC could be like the SBS, that would be good.


In fact, maybe the hierarchy of the SBS could take over the ABC
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Old 30th Mar 2014, 11:42
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A well articulated reply WITW...some not unexpected simpleton responses to go with it....

But the again, as long as we have LNP supporters voting for rubbish , we'll be inundated with rubbish.....
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Old 30th Mar 2014, 11:45
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And if that is what you think is a healthy arrangement for a country like Australia in the year 2014, perhaps you and clareprop are better off holding hands and rowing back to dear old mother england.....it's all worked out so well there!!


I don't recall saying anything about media bias, I don't watch TV or read newspapers, I'm educated enough to make up my own mind and have never really noticed any bias in the MSM because I'm not looking for it. I know it is what they and the politicians DON"T say that is far more important.

I am old enough to have seen the political pendulum swing to and fro and observed the extremes of Wilson/Callaghan/Scargill etc and Thatcher, Keating and Howard. I don't need some newspaper or politician to form an opinion. I march to the beat of my own drum.

Come on 500, let's get in the boat then, lucky I have spent a lot of my time doing competition rowing, we are not welcome here. Sorry about the hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxes I've contributed in nearly half my lifetime here as an independent skilled migrant.
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Old 30th Mar 2014, 11:54
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Never did much rowing but am broad shouldered and done a fair bit of canoeing / kayaking so I reckon we would do OK together


Re "and the politicians DON"T say that is far more important."

That applies to anything in this world, especially someone selling something.
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Old 30th Mar 2014, 11:57
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The left had 6 years of the good times under Rudd, Gillard, trampling over the right, then they got kicked out. So now the left can cop it. And Abbott has it spot on with tearing down the left monuments, by doing so, making it harder and longer for them to get up again.

Nothing of the sort 500!!, and you know it!!!, really pathetic you would think otherwise......explain exactly these 'monuments' to which you refer??

I don't know you 500., but you come across as a brainwashed ex military simpleton, unable to form a thought process other than which you have been indoctrinated...and that is not a bad thing at all......but it does display to all and sundry a simple inability to think for yourself, you clearly need to be told by a chain of command what your opinions are...the MSM fulfils this function for you....the very premise that the left had 6 good years displays your incredible ignorance.......with due respect dear 500, your ignorance now ensures your place on my ' ignore' list ....come back to me when you have a semblance of impartiallity
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Old 30th Mar 2014, 12:00
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Clare.......'Good Riddance'..............
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Old 30th Mar 2014, 12:07
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No worries

No I am not brainwashed, I just see more and more restrictions on things we all used to be able to do by "nanny states" be it Federal or State Gov'ts departments.
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Old 30th Mar 2014, 12:09
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In case someone tries to accuse me of bias for banning Fliegenmong, here is an extract from the PPRuNe rules

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4/4 for Fliegenmong's last two posts, I'm keeping them unedited as an example.

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Old 30th Mar 2014, 12:23
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IF you are allowed to take an opinion into account, then please don't ban Fliegenmong for posting what he did towards me,
I am very thick skinned and a firm believer in if you dish it out you need to be able to take it.

His other posts, well, I'll leave that to you.


I seem to have transgressed 3 out of 4 of those rules in the last few weeks
going by the "warning shots across the bows" or temp and permanent banning from threads
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Old 30th Mar 2014, 12:31
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All opinions are welcome here.

Personal attacks are not.

Bigotry seems to be all the rage this week.
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Old 30th Mar 2014, 12:34
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What about a merger of SBS and the ABC, with the management of SBS being in charge. Would that help?
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Old 30th Mar 2014, 12:38
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No problems,



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Yes, I think SBS would make a good fist of it - and teach the ABC a thing or two
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Old 30th Mar 2014, 13:16
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What there is, as we have said many times on here before, a great reluctance for the left to accept that they are no longer running the show. And I don't really mean the centre left, but the left of left and the greens. They can't accept that any other view but their own is correct, they insist we must listen and accept their views and opinions as gospel, any other view is simply incorrect.

The greens, of course, are the worst offenders. We must all accept that we are doomed under the all encompassing umbrella of climate change, or was it global warming?, or what ever they choose to call it this week.

Well, just for the moment, the boats have been slowed or stopped. The carbon tax at some stage will be repealed. TPV or their equivalent will be introduced and hopefully the ABC will be bought under control.

Those on the left had their chance. They spent most of their years in power, back stabbing each other, trying to micro manage the 24 hour news cycle, or spending more than they could afford. And I forgot to add, sucking up to the greens.

I'm happy with how things are going, maybe a bit slowly in some areas, but I think they are getting there.
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Old 30th Mar 2014, 13:31
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Re the "the 24 hour news cycle,"

You know when Abbott won and it went very very quiet in the media for at least a month, if not two, I was reading an article on the weekend where they mentioned this and that it might not have done him any favours but he was quoted (I believe a quote) that he literally wanted to break the cycle and get well away from the " the 24 hour news cycle" that the previous Gov't was know for and the only way to do this was to almost completely cut off the media for a while.

I think it worked, the media's expectations changed drastically as they knew they were not going to get a sound bit or quote every day so moved on.

Just my HO.

I enjoyed the peace and quiet !
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Old 30th Mar 2014, 16:31
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War in Australia (any Oz Politics)

I go one would (will?) regret. It when the news returns to the way it was under Rudd and Gillard - in both it's content and the frequency of 'new' information that clearly was not.
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Old 30th Mar 2014, 21:10
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I feel this thread needs a bit of humour to lighten things up

I can't seem to download the Cartoons but some good one's
taking the piss out of Abbott and the Gov't in the following link.

Cartoons For Monday 31 March 2014
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Old 30th Mar 2014, 22:21
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You want something funny? This is almost as funny as the reintroduction of knighthoods.

Alexander Downer appointed to High Commissioner to United Kingdom
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