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Old 17th Mar 2014, 09:28
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These people can only live in Two Dads lefty huggy fluff la la land. It's the only explanation.
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Old 17th Mar 2014, 10:28
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The number of these that occur is unbelievable.

After the ABC Lady, Jill, got murdered and the other one at the same time,
it makes you wonder WTF the judges and parole boards are thinking.

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Old 17th Mar 2014, 11:57
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I think we can all take it as read that some Leftie judge will come to a similar conclusion in ten to fifteen years (if not sooner) about the creature (I can't call him a man) who has just been found guilty of killing Daniel Morecome.

AND you can almost guarantee that there'll be some brain dead female with a couple of liberal arts degrees who will marry the bastard while he's gaol and then champion his cause to have him released.
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Old 17th Mar 2014, 12:20
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In fairness, it's a twenty year non-parole period for Daniel Morcombe's murderer and the sentencing judge has it on record that she hopes the parole board in the future will strongly consider the gravity of PBC's crimes when making their decision - the closest you can get to saying "you shouldn't give this bloke parole" without overstepping your jurisdiction.
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Old 17th Mar 2014, 12:25
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I'm afraid, unless the Morcombe family maintain the rage (for want of a better term) and contest any parole attempt, what I've predicted is quite likely to occur, chuboy. Particularly the bit about some damned female who'll start out using the killer as the subject of her PHd thesis and then fall in love with him. There seems to be a 'fall in love with a hard core prisoner' gene in some supposedly highly educated women.
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Old 17th Mar 2014, 12:31
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Re the Morecombe case, I've read a few articles and then watched the reenactment on TV the other night. A very impressive sting by the police that would have taken quite a lot to pull off considering how long they had to spend under cover doing it.

All credit to them.
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Old 17th Mar 2014, 12:46
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The coppers did well.
I think we can all take it as read that some Leftie judge will come to a similar conclusion in ten to fifteen years (if not sooner) about the creature (I can't call him a man) who has just been found guilty of killing Daniel Morecome.
The sentence was life with parole to be considered at twenty years.
Daniel Morcombe's parents relieved over life sentence for Brett Peter Cowan

Pending appeal there can be no consideration of parole before that time. After that, in 2034 the decision will rest with the parole board, if it exists.

Now personally, I consider the sentence inadequate . Given the fair trial and allowing for appeals as far as the High Court of Australia, should those appeals be dismissed I know what I would consider a fair sentence.

However, the law does not allow for that sentence. It hasn't done since Queensland abolished the death penalty in 1922; funnily enough (given our right wing reputation) the first Australian state to do so.
Chances of return to death penalty remain almost nil
If Justice Atkinson sets the parole period 'too high' (whatever that means) then she leaves grounds for appeal open.

The offender has been given the maximum sentence, ie life. The parole period is defined as such:
http://www.justice.qld.gov.au/__data...-factsheet.pdf

It is important to remember that parole (should it be granted) does not constitute an uncondtional release. It is always conditional, and the conditions are set by the parole board. It is not freedom, and in the case of a life sentence nor should it be. In this respect, life means life.

Personally, I feel that this was a capital crime. The offender has been found guilty of murdering a child with which he had no previous connection, and no reason to kill. The jury has found that this was an opportunistic murder of an innocent child who missed his bus and was left standing on the street, whence he was kidnapped, assaulted and killed by a deviant passer-by. As the relevant news commentary has said; this is society's worst nightmare; the fortunately rare situation which leaves us so concerned about letting children play on the street or in the creek.

This is a case that regrettably supports the modern viewpoint that children must be guarded and protected, and not allowed to play. It is the minority incident that confirms our worst fears; that we cannot leave our kids to be kids. It is the rare action that makes us surpress our kids' natural instincts to run around and catch lizards.

Having been kids who were allowed to be kids, as a collective we must bear in mind that this was a left-of-field incident; at some stage most of us got left alone and still made it home. Sometimes we were assisted by good adults who cared for us, and we should remember that the vast majority of people are amongst this group. Very few of us would not help a child and even fewer of us would leave that child without support when they needed it, even if we were badarssed drug smugglers, bikies or such. Even amongst the criminal fraternity that is still seen as wrong.

Cowan is an aberration, and should be treated as such. IMO the sentence should have been simple, albeit appellable to the High Court. The sentence should have been thus; this is an individual whose actions have wronged the Morcombe family, and also our society. His actions have been found by a fair court to have transgressed our society's moral boundaries so far that he no longer has a place in that society.

He has shown no remorse, and given no explanation for his actions against a minor he had no connection with. The jury has found that his actions were as charged and the judge has supported that.

Therefore, what use is he? What can he contribute?? Nothing, except fraught conversations in 2034 when he's up for parole. Meantime he will sit in a cell being paid for by all of us.

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Old 17th Mar 2014, 12:55
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A fair sentence was LIFE without parole.

He was a third time (at least) offender in 3 states (at least).

And now he has at least 20 years in a reasonably cushy prison for sex offenders.

I very much doubt he will sit in a cell as most sex offenders I believe live in units in a non high security prison.
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Old 17th Mar 2014, 13:07
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500N, this will be one of the rare cases where I think you are being too huggy .

The fair sentence was death; he has been found by a fair court to have wilfully murdered a child. He serves no useful purpose to our society and IMO his actions have removed himself from its protection.
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Old 17th Mar 2014, 13:10
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Yes, I agree with you but I am trying not to be quite so controversial !!! LOL

And maybe a bit more realistic as this country will never bring in the death penalty for pricks like him.
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Old 17th Mar 2014, 13:30
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WITW beat me to it! I was just about tosay, I'm worried, 500 has gone all huggy on us! The guy should have been shot! ( the pervert, not 500 that is !)
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Old 17th Mar 2014, 13:34
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That made me laugh, thanks


OK, if you want the old 500N back, I'll see what I can do
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Old 17th Mar 2014, 13:52
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Cheers SOPS, we were always going to agree on something.

And maybe a bit more realistic as this country will never bring in the death penalty for pricks like him.
No, they won't. Neither side of politics will ever bring this issue to referendum because they know the result will be close and there is no real political mileage in touting either argument.

The question was never put to Australians at referendum; the death penalty was abolished by successive state acts of parliament without a public vote. If there were to be a vote on the issue today, I'd be interested to see the results.

The death penalty was a key component of the Roman civil system, the English common law system and the Indigenous customary law system. Over time, these systems have all correctly contributed to the Australian justice system.

When it comes to the murder of an innocent child the traditional sentence doesn't vary between the three systems, whether the outcome is delivered by a spear, a rope or by other hi-tech methods. I don't see that each group's values are so different; in fact they all have a common idealogy. Traditionally each system deems it a wrong, and a wrong punishable by death. Whether the system is 1000 years old, 3000 years old or 40 000 years old the sentence is the same; generally this is not an act that can be excused or apologised for. It is only in very recent times that this has come up for discussion, and IMO the discussion is not worthwhile. Whether Indigenous, Roman, English or a mixture of all three (or more) there has been a traditional punishment for this crime.

It serves no deterrent purpose, and no rehabilitation purpose. These are important things to consider with lesser crimes, but IMO, not with this one. This is not a crime that can be deterred and nor can offenders be rehabilitated; all that is left is punishment.

Pending appeal, I believe that the majority of Queenslanders would consider Cowan surplus to the state's requirements and that the issue of parole should be irrelevant.

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Old 17th Mar 2014, 20:00
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Like many, I have reservations about the death penalty. However, for people like DM's murderer, I find myself asking what in the world is society thinking it's achieving keeping him locked up, particularly in the conditions such prisoners enjoy - I use that word deliberately - in Australia today. If he was in a dark pit sitting in quite literally in his own filth with the door welded shut ( as was once common practice - and perhaps still is in certain parts of today's world) - I could live with it. But while serving his earlier, laughably short sentence for inflicting horrible injuries to a 6 year old child, this creature enjoyed privileges to the point where he taunted other prisoners about how easy he was doing his time. He needs a needle on his arm, not a colour television and gym.
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Old 17th Mar 2014, 21:24
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CSD, I lived in Perth when TJD raped a girl in the cemetery. We lived near there and our 13 year old daughter used to take shortcuts through the cemetery with her school friends. This rapist has probably been release due to the usual reasons of disadvantaged upbringing, family alcohol abuse and being a member of a minority group. I'm sick of this crap. Why TF should a tough life be a justification for a softer sentence? Meanwhile is Sydney, those crackpots from the Socialist Alliance continue to agitate regarding the death of TJD Hickey, the 17 year old drug courier and petty thief who died when he crashed his bicycle into a fence and was impaled on a spike. The police were trying to arrest his in connection with some bag snatchings and assaults on elderly woman. I haves close relative who works with disadvantaged youth in Redfern who told me that Hickey was "pure filth" and a "real case".

http://socialistalliancensw.********...ears-mean.html

This relative says that police properly assisted Hickey and did NOT remove him from the fence as the SA claimed.
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Old 17th Mar 2014, 21:45
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Are they still going on about Hickey. Jesus christ.
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Old 17th Mar 2014, 22:50
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If Cowan is sent to a regular prison he may well get his death sentence yet. Inmates have their own justice system and given the high profile nature of the Morcombe case and the lower-than-low ranking of kiddie fiddlers and child killers I would be surprised if he lasts a few years in there.
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Old 17th Mar 2014, 23:09
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Since we can't execute him, I think most would like him to go to a "normal" prison as he would end up getting his balls shoved in his mouth !

The problem is, all the fluffy luvvies would be up in arms that he wasn't "protected" from other prisoners and his human rights were violated !
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Old 17th Mar 2014, 23:36
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I've long been of the view that, if you don't meet your responsibilities to society, you don't get to enjoy the rights that society provides.

Let the huggies have their whinge. It means little in the scheme of things but gives them something to do.
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Old 18th Mar 2014, 01:49
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Back in medieval times there was the concept of the outlaw, i.e., an individual who was declared to be outside the law and therefore, because of his criminal actions, not entitled to the protection of the law. As such, when encountered, he could be dealt with summarily and the person who dealt with him would not be punished.

Although this might sound attractive when people like Cowan come to mind, it should scare Joe Average silly, for it would be all too easily abused by both governments to get rid of opponents and corrupt officials or just powerful individuals to get rid of rivals. How many Hollywood movies have we seen where the hero has been declared - (of course, wrongly) - the Bad Guy and the whole law establishment is arrayed against him? There was a a Will Smith movie (Enemy of the State?) with exactly this premise as its main plot line.

This mongrel will live a relatively comfortable, if restrictive existence for the next 20 years with health care most Australians could never hope to afford.

...and then some huggy fluff will almost certainly feel he's suffered enough and should be released back into society. Guaranteed.
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