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War in Australia (any Oz Politics): the Original

Old 3rd Mar 2014, 04:02
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At the end of the day, the ADF do what they are told.

Before that, they can advise, suggest courses of action and even disagree but when the talking is over and the orders are given, they get on with it, whether they like it or not. It is not a democracy and I think people forget that.

In addition, they answer to the Gov't, not any Senate committee or media hack that wants to ask pointed questions so if they don't want to answer, they won't.

Attacking General Campbell is like attacking General Cosgrove, someone held in high esteem both in the Military and civilian circles. The fact he has been on the inside of Politics before means he knows how to handle things,
plus of course his excellent service record in the most demanding of units.
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Old 3rd Mar 2014, 05:24
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CSD, agree. No-one complains when the ADF help out after natural disasters (and of course nor should they). However, it's another example of the ADF being used for non-military purposes. The non military alternative would be to arm up Customs into a fully law enforcement role like US Customs have, but that would be expensive, time consuming and a needless duplication of our perfectly good Navy.

Before that, they can advise, suggest courses of action and even disagree but when the talking is over and the orders are given, they get on with it, whether they like it or not. It is not a democracy and I think people forget that.
The public service is the same, except that disagreeing is a bona fide career stopper . I think the ADF actually get more of a say than the APS, though that could be a 'grass is greener' thing.
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Old 3rd Mar 2014, 05:31
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"except that disagreeing is a bona fide career stopper"

It didn't stop Angus Houston getting the top job.

It's how you do it. The Pollies don't have the experience so they have to rely on the ADF top hierarchy.


"he non military alternative would be to arm up Customs into a fully law enforcement role like US Customs have"

I hope that never happens. Apart from as you say expensive and duplication, no way would they ever have the skill level to do what the ADF does full time. Just look at the Pong Su North Korean Ship incident as an example where Navy Ships, helos and Army were all required to stop the boat after the Police and Customs failed to do it - and you have to ask why they even tried in seas like that.
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Old 3rd Mar 2014, 05:31
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500N .... ref. blue collar/white collar.
Some years back someone in government decided that all Australian workers were to undergo a re-education programme with regard to sexual harassment of women in the workplace. Attendance by everyone was mandatory.
Myself and one other 'blue collar' worker were ordered to attend one such meeting along with assorted 'white collar' workers such as managers,engineers, draftsmen etc.Before the young lady, who was doing the re-education,could start proceedings my fellow blue collar put up his hand and asked what percentage of sexual harassment charges were blue collar and what were white collar. The young lady replied that it was predominately a white collar problem, something like 98% white. Fellow blue collar worker then stated that he was relieved to hear that as the company only had 4 female workers on the shop floor and he wouldn't touch any of them with the proverbial barge pole let alone sexually harass one of them.In fact he said that he was actually frightened to even talk to any of them. I then asked if we could be excused from the meeting in view of the previous information and it was at this point that we were both told to be quiet by the General Manager.
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Old 3rd Mar 2014, 05:42
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How un-PC of you, Bos! Hang your head in shame
We in the ADF have to endure that cr*p every year.

Actually, your mate could be done for stating
he wouldn't touch any of them with the proverbial barge pole let alone sexually harass one of them
. Really.....
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Old 3rd Mar 2014, 08:29
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Some years back someone in government decided that all Australian workers were to undergo a re-education programme with regard to sexual harassment of women in the workplace. Attendance by everyone was mandatory.
I went to one of those!! My predominantly male and 100% non-PC team was subjected to a speech from one of the grim, humourless female harassment reps about how all men were guilty of harassment even if they weren't , followed by a video on the subject by Indira Nadoo. After one of the team said sotto voce (and not so sotto) 'nice tits, for an Indian' the rep failed us as a group. Him for saying it and the rest of us (two women included) for laughing.

We never had to re-qualify.
It didn't stop Angus Houston getting the top job.
That's my point; he's ADF. IMO if he'd been from tax or immigration he'd have been dead in the water. The ADF get more autonomy than the public service, because smart pollies usually realise that they have NFI about defence matters. Unfortunately they all consider themselves public policy experts, and make legions of expensive, useless dumbarse decisions because They Know Best.

This means that the only people who crawl to the top of the APS crab barrel are the people who say Yes, Yes, Yes repeatedly, even when they and their entire department know that the answer is Fk No, what planet are you from?

Amanda Vandstone was a really notable exception.
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Old 3rd Mar 2014, 09:41
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Albasleazy and Shorten on Sky talking about Qantas.

Can someone tell me, where is this place Albasleazy kept rabbiting on about? - Austaya.




..and now Shorten speaking (in outraged terms) about the Abbott Government exporting Australian jobs.

Errr... that year we dare not mention here and Bob'orke "exporting Australian jobs" - 77% of the domestic airlines' pilot strength - the ones who did not become "heroes", comes immediately to mind.

But how many Australian voters - or even current Qantas pilots - would even remember that?
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Old 3rd Mar 2014, 10:14
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Errr... that year we dare not mention here and Bob'orke "exporting Australian jobs" - 77% of the domestic airlines' pilot strength - the ones who did not become "heroes", comes immediately to mind.
Agreed. However, that's ancient history in political terms, ie more than a decade ago. It shouldn't be, but that's the way it is.

Qantas is a Qluster, but more recent history has shown that neither side of politics has the balls to deal with it. Nor do the shareholders (cue tumbleweed rolling across the landscape ). Their continual mismangement of a former goverment asset that was handed to them on a plate knows no bounds, and nor does the whining or lack of personal accountability from the board. How anyone can run the major domestic airline in Australia and still lose money without being a bunch of dkheads is the question of our times. Oh, that's right, it's all the nasty unions' fault. The unions came up with the Red Q debacle, Jestar Asia's spectacular losses and managers being imprisoned in Vietnam over fuel hedging issues. Darned unions! We grounded the fleet though, by gosh begorrah. We inconvenienced thousands of Australians and irreparably tarnished our brand...aren't we tough? Good dog, Joyce; have a biscuit.

Telstra have made the transition from public asset to private company. It hasn't been pretty but they managed, and without grounding the nation's telecommunications. Likewise Airservices and Australia Post, while admittedly still government owned corporations still had to wake up and smell the efficiency hangover.

Qantas is like one of those really bad domestic disputes you read about in the papers, where the husband sends the kids' horses off to the doggers and the wife shreds all the important documents . It's like a slow motion car crash where everyone on the sidelines (including the government) says 'nooooo' but can't actually stop it.

I"m not usually a proponent of moon landing hoax style conspiracies, but I have to wonder about Qantas . Either they're incredibly, majorly incompetent, or they're actually very competent and there's a hidden agenda .

"No more; the text is foolish." King John, IV ii (Shakespeare).
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Old 3rd Mar 2014, 10:38
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I"m not usually a proponent of moon landing hoax style conspiracies, but I have to wonder about Qantas . Either they're incredibly, majorly incompetent, or they're actually very competent and there's a hidden agenda
Hmm thats a hard one Worrels, if it was government run then the first, but being business could be 50/50
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Old 3rd Mar 2014, 10:41
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Exactly, They were privatised a long time ago, time enough to sort their shit out. Bleating to the government now about unfair competition just seems a bit old, IMO ; particularly since they were happy to see Ansett take a dive at the expense of a foreign backed carrier.
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Old 3rd Mar 2014, 10:57
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Worrals, I've been saying for ages that Joyce is still in place after what looks like five years of repeated disasters because he's actually doing quite well at what he's really been employed by the Qantas Board to do - to gut Qantas down to as small a 'rump/core' as possible, meanwhile forcing more and more of the heavily unionised (and in the Board's eyes) far too well paid staff either out completely or into 'lean and mean' Jetstar-style contracts.

Someone on the inside will write a book about it one day and I really think that it will come out then that something along those lines was the Grand Plan right back from the period immediately after the attempted sell out to the foreign hedge funds went off the rails - and possibly even earlier. Pilots and voters might have forgotten the lessons of nineteen eighty-you-know-when, but I'd be willing to bet that airline management haven't.
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Old 3rd Mar 2014, 11:59
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500N:
Hehad the forearm he was using and the car he was driving confiscated.
So you ALREADY have Sharia in Oz? Jeez.
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Old 3rd Mar 2014, 18:44
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War in Australia (any Oz Politics)

Shorten on the ALPBC news this morning doing his 'statesman' voice as he says Labor will block the government's proposed changes to the Qantas ownership rules in the Senate: "We... will... not... allow... skilled... Australian... jobs... to... move... overseas." This from the leader of the same Party that forced damn near every Australian domestic pilot to take his skills overseas or become a "hero". Bob Hawke is either laughing his head off in his waterfront mansion or just possibly squirming as his listens to this utter bullsh1t coming from Shorten.
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Old 3rd Mar 2014, 19:20
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Sometimes I’m ashamed to be Australian....
AS SCHAPELLE Corby spends her first nights at her sister’s Kuta home, another Australian woman has been sentenced to eight months in an Indonesian jail.
Julie Anne Joseph was found guilty today of having 0.9 grams of methamphetamine and sentenced to eight months in jail. With time served since her arrest on the island of Lombok, off Bali, in October last year, the 31-year-old will be out within months.
Joseph, from West Australia, was sentenced in Mataram District Court in Lombok late today.
Judge Bagus Irawan said Joseph was guilty of a drug crime that was contrary to the Government’s program of eradicating narcotic abuse in Indonesia. But he said factors mitigating her sentence were the fact that Joseph had openly admitted her crime, had no criminal record in Indonesia and regretted her actions. Judge Irawan said Joseph had a child under five whom she missed and wanted to be with. Prosecutors had demanded a one-year sentence.
From Perth, Joseph was arrested in October last year after a motorbike accident.
Police were suspicious about her reticence to release her bag after being injured and searched her. In the bag, inside a chewing gum container, they found seven small packets of methamphetamine.
Joseph’s sentence was lighter than those handed out for drug possession because she was dealt with under legislation for users, who are treated more leniently than dealers and traffickers.
She has a five year old child, who is going to have a ‘great’ start in life with an ice smoking derro mother. And so the cycle repeats.....
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Old 3rd Mar 2014, 19:24
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I had to chuckle this morning with the headline that the Indonesians might revoke Schapelle's parole which is what I predicted might happen before the end of it.

I would say she is treading a very very fine line at the moment and if it doesn't happen now, it will only take one more thing to make it happen
which IMHO will be good.
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Old 3rd Mar 2014, 21:16
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Is it just me or do others think that the stand-in anchor on the 7.30 Report is the epitome of rudest and aggression? It's one thing to give pollies a hard time but I think this woman goes beyond that. Any comments?
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Old 3rd Mar 2014, 21:20
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Who is it ?

The stand in ?
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Old 4th Mar 2014, 00:31
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Australian journos rude and aggressive? Say it isn't so!
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Old 4th Mar 2014, 01:47
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Haven't seen her. Is she breaking the ALPBC rools? - being rude to Labor pollies?
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Old 4th Mar 2014, 02:26
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Was it Sarah Ferguson?
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