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War in Australia (any Oz Politics): the Original

Old 26th Nov 2013, 11:23
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Old 26th Nov 2013, 11:35
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Old 26th Nov 2013, 12:02
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I never sleep well, but no one has ever suggested I pay more for my mattress than my car is worth!!
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Old 26th Nov 2013, 12:05
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Off the mattress and back into politics... Julia continues her remaking if her image in a friendly interview with Christine Amanpour.

Having said that, it is curious how passive Gillard seems. She doesn't appear to be trying to lead the interview anywhere - she just plods along, dishing out answers couched in terms of her own righteousness.

https://www.google.com.au/search?tbm...68.Fppzy6AKMbw
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Old 26th Nov 2013, 21:59
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"Secondly, we believe that the baby, Faris, having been born on the Australian mainland, is entitled to apply for Australian citizenship and for a protection visa and that the Australian Government has no right whatsoever to remove him."
That doesn't mean he'll get it. Lots of people apply for things.
The other issue here is that as Burmese, they will probably qualify for protection visas. As the link below shows, they make up a large percentage of successful asylum seekers.

Fact Sheet 60 ? Australia's Refugee and Humanitarian Program
(P.S. Does anyone know why Bhutanese would be eligible? I couldn't work that one out...)

Given that the baby is ill and they have a high chance of being granted protection visas, they may have a stronger case for staying in Australia than the usual run-of-the-mill arrivals.
Off the mattress and back into politics...
Hey, they're just internet rumours at this stage...
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Old 26th Nov 2013, 22:06
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I see the UN is complaining about the tents / accommodation on Nauru and
Manus Island.

"Detention centres inhumane: UN"

FFS, it seems they want everyone housed in 5 star hotels !


I hope Abbott tells them to FO back to NY and to take the AS with them
or shut up and we will process them when Australia is good and ready and
if they don't like it, they can always go back to where they came from.
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Old 27th Nov 2013, 04:17
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Funny, they didn't say much about the tents their contractors lived in. Just don't care I guess. When the fit hit the shan the UN staff headed for a nice safe bunker while the contractors were left to look after themselves.
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Old 27th Nov 2013, 10:26
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Or we could use the aid money to increase surveillance against illegal boats. Or, on the other hand, for severance payments for most of the ABC staff.
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Old 27th Nov 2013, 21:47
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Welcome to the thread Mitch. With spying the current favourite topic of the month, it's obvious you've been spying on me, for some of your comments are almost verbatim to those made around the Andu dinner table.

Tony Abbott must be grinding his teeth at the major distraction this issue has become to his plans - (I find myself hoping he has some) - to start undoing some of the damage inflicted on this country over the last six years. Steady as she goes might work for a while, but he has to be seen to do something, or those of us old enough to remember will think we have another Malcolm Fraser on our hands.

The ALPBC would be a very good place to start. I saw someone suggest (I think on another site) that, in answer to blatant ABC bias, he ban anyone on the public payroll from speaking to the national broadcaster without prior approval. The 'friends of the ABC' would scream blue bloody murder of course, but as I've said before on this thread, I feel they have already prepared their screams of outrage for any move the new government makes to rein them in as they openly taunt the government to react to their undisguised and blatant Labor bias.
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Old 27th Nov 2013, 22:31
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A close relative was one of the last conservative managers in the ABC, before bowing to the red flood and retiring in the early 80's.

He regularly quotes an old acquaintance of communist persuasion, who told him once that "it might take 100 years, comrade, but we will win."

I wonder these days whether there isn't a group who have been set on a course dictated by late 19th century thought - but lack the ability to adapt to social change and embrace the modern era.

By their taking control of the Humanities Schools of our universities, the groupthink is being uncritically perpetuated. Media studies is a case in point, with most graduates now professing socialist/green leanings.

The difficulty in reconstructing the national broadcaster into a balanced news provider, therefore, is finding the people capable of doing it.

As to banning those on the public payroll from speaking to the ABC, I'm afraid the majority tend to support labor/greens; so a ban won't stop the leaking.
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Old 27th Nov 2013, 22:40
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Cooda ....... " it might take 100 years, comrade, but we will win".

Having spent some of my formative years in what was then West Germany and noticed that quite a few 'comrades' wanted to, and did indeed, escape from the 'workers paradise that was East Germany it has always puzzled me why none of the 'socialists' here in the West never escaped in the other direction.
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Old 27th Nov 2013, 22:57
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Bosnich

That is a very good question.
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Old 27th Nov 2013, 23:18
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Meanwhile back in the real world,
Monday it's upset the Indonesians,
Tuesday it's upset the states regarding schools
And today it's upset the Chinese,
Anyone left to upset tomorrow?
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Old 27th Nov 2013, 23:22
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..but it would seem from comments on Sydney radio this morning, the two refurbished C130s we are giving to Indonesia are on their way north this morning.
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Old 27th Nov 2013, 23:28
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Wednesday was upset the East Timorese (who said Aus spied on them !)


Saltie
Yes, it was posted in the Military section yesterday that this was the case.
A good discussion was had !!!
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Old 27th Nov 2013, 23:34
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They promised before the election to be a “no-surprises” government.

But since winning power the Abbott government has lengthened its list of broken promises and policy surprises by more than one a week.

Just two days ago, the Federal Minister for Education, Christopher Pyne, performed a brazen policy back-flip on school funding, saying he would no longer accept Labor's funding and overall model despite Tony Abbott making this pre-election promise: “We will honour the agreements that Labor has entered into. We will match the offers that Labor has made. We will make sure that no school is worse off.”

A few weeks ago, the Coalition's pre-election commitment to "turn back the boats" was broken after Immigration Minister Scott Morrison ended a tense standoff with Jakarta - which was refusing to accept a boatload of asylum seekers - by ordering the boat to be taken to Christmas Island.

Last month, Treasurer Joe Hockey said he wanted to increase the debt ceiling from $300 billion to $500 billion. That was after the Coalition attacked the then Labor government's decision in May last year to raise Australia's debt ceiling from $250 billion to $300 billion, which Tony Abbott described at the time as "really extraordinary".

"What Joe Hockey is now doing on both the commission of cuts and on the issue of the debt ceiling is a million miles away from the expectations he gave the Australian people before the election," Labor finance spokesman Tony Burke said about the Coalition's recent decision to raise the debt limit.

Mr Abbott also promised before the election to have a government "which is transparent and open," saying "the last thing we want to do is to hide anything from the Australian people."

Since then, Immigration Minister Scott Morrison has implemented a highly restrictive regime regarding information on border protection.

The Coalition has also surprised voters by abolishing the portfolio of minister for science, sending no minister to climate talks in Poland, and deciding to only have one female cabinet minister.

These things appear to fly in the face of Mr Abbott's campaign launch pledge:

"We will be a no-surprises, no-excuses government, because you are sick of nasty surprises and lame excuses from people that you have trusted with your future."
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Old 28th Nov 2013, 00:37
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Well, a couple of us here predicted that the Abbott Government would disappoint quite a few people. I thought that disappointment would be in the reining in of the entitlement culture and trying to convince people that they have to provide for themselves rather than have 'the gummit' hand out 'compensayshun' to damn near everyone at every turn.

Unfortunately, that disappointment (for me at least) has been in the Abbott NOT being seen to do a damn thing. (I accept they may be doing lots of things, but they have to let the electorate in on at least some of what they're doing.)

Over the spying 'scandal', why in the world didn't Tony Abbott shut it down immediately with a clear statement congratulating Mr Rudd for looking after Australia's interests in 2009 by monitoring our near neighbours in every way that was available to him and his intelligence services?

In my opinion, the real scandal would have been if the Rudd government had NOT been doing everything it could to know exactly what was going on in Indonesia, particularly at a time when the terrorism threat was quite acute.
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Old 28th Nov 2013, 00:45
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Indonesia knows damn well what goes on. Hell, our troops have clashed a few times with theirs but you don't see that in the paper but they know damn well
who killed them.

All done for internal Indonesian Politics / consumption.
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Old 28th Nov 2013, 03:02
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Ethel and everyone else.....it is worth reading Glen Sheridan's article in todays Australian where he discusses the "Spying Scandal"!
Those of you who can't afford/won't pay for full access can read it for nothing on Michael Smith.
Yup I know if it is on Smiths' blog it must be Bulldust but then so is most of the ABC and Age coverage as well, isn't it Ethel ?
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Old 28th Nov 2013, 03:05
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P.s. to Ethel .... the Indons supposedly had the Sth.Koreans in for a chat about phones as well, not that you'd read/ hear about it on 'Our ABC".
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