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War in Australia (any Oz Politics): the Original

Old 13th Oct 2013, 22:00
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Hardly think that Mr. Garrett should be listed as someone having a "career" prior to his elevation to our national parliament.
Garrett was a professional muscician; one of the most successful in the country. Being a musician is as much of a career as being a pilot.
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Old 13th Oct 2013, 23:01
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I think that when the pink batts and the school halls stories come out fully into the light of day, (if they ever do), Peter Garrett's reputation will be considerably enhanced. I have no inside information on this, just an opinion, but I think, in copping the blame, he took a hit for the Pardee - a big hit - and if I'm even halfway right, the slimeball Rudd won't go out of his way in the slightest to correct the public perception.

Power is an aphrodisiac, or so the old saying goes, so it will be interesting to see if the new Leader of the Opposition can keep his zipper up while anywhere but at home. History would suggest that the laws of gravity, possibly assisted, might apply.

If the Libs don't put an attack dog - much as they once used the younger Tony Abbott - to work on dredging up every piece of dirt they can find involving Shorten and Gillard over the AWU and Slater & Gordon, they've gone soft. The only reason I can see for them leaving Shorten in place at the head of the Labor Pardee would be what I'd call 'the Hitler reason'. In WW2, the Allies decided not to try to assassinate Hitler because they reasoned that in place as Fuehrer, he was doing far more damage to the German war effort than any of his likely replacements would.

But that's no reason not to dredge up every bit of dirt they can find from his professional life. I think Abbott would be inclined to tell his attack dogs to steer away from Shorten's personal life. Pickering and such people will have that covered.
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Old 13th Oct 2013, 23:57
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I was under the impression that Garrett had retired from politics. If he was the innocent party in the pink batts affair and took a hit for the good of the Labour Party then he now has no reason not to give us all the truth of the matter. However having seen him on T.V. this morning getting stuck into Abbott and the Liberals about 'climate' perhaps he is intending to return to his former 'career' and to begin inflicting his political views on us all via his 'songs' once again and sees no reason to rock the boat as it were.
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I'm glad that pilots have a career as it gives those of us, mere mortals, who only exist to mend aeronautical machinery a career path as well.
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Old 14th Oct 2013, 00:08
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... so it will be interesting to see if the new Leader of the Opposition can keep his zipper up while anywhere but at home.
An ALP leader? I guess there's a first time for everything.

Bosnich, you may be correct about a return to the music industry; Garrett certainly talked a lot more politics as a muso than as a pollie.
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Old 14th Oct 2013, 00:15
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"Garrett certainly talked a lot more politics as a muso than as a pollie."

+ 1

Did he ever.


So, the "Hand" returns
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Old 14th Oct 2013, 02:07
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Labor looks to be shown to be hypocrites.

Women may miss out in new Labor frontbench

In addition, have a read of the following, the factions are at it
by the way this reads so nothing has changed.

Women may miss out in new Labor frontbench
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Old 14th Oct 2013, 03:12
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Agreed, it was ironic how once Garrett entered parliament he just became a Labor hack spouting the pardee line where previously he had been inspirational not only as a musician but also as an environmental activist. I suppose Rudd parachuted him in because he though Oils fans might think that the "old Peter" would actually be able to make changes once he was on the inside. Sadly we were very very disappointed, Labor chewed him up and spat him out. He would have been far more effective as an independent in the Senate, pity that his Senate bid in the mid 80s failed because of nutty preference deals.

I might forgive him if he does a "Blues Brothers" and gets the band back together but still have to drive through a sandpit to Jandakot every day and see a massive Halliburtons training centre where once there was pristine bush, flattened with a stroke of Peter Garrett's pen - he had the power to stop it and he didn't.

Trust me being a musician is not a cushy job, and a lot harder to get to the top than being an airline pilot!
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Old 14th Oct 2013, 03:20
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Labor shouldn't have chewed him up and spat him out.

He would have bought a fair few Greens / Enviros over to vote Labor
IF he had been allowed to at least have a say in public.

Just my HO.
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Old 14th Oct 2013, 05:18
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Prophetic...he stood obediently enough in line for Gillard. It was really horrible to watch.


At least Rob Hirst is still playing the drums.

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Old 14th Oct 2013, 05:31
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That is the worst I have ever heard Midnight Oil.

By the sounds of it, they improved a lot since 1980.
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Old 14th Oct 2013, 05:54
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At least Rob Hirst is still playing the drums.
Over the years I've heard that Hirst was actually the primary driver within the Oils, both musically and politically. Dunno if it's true, but it wouldn't surprise me.

IMO Garrett would have been a decent ALP Senator, but he was out of his depth in the House of Reps. Nor did he have the three decades of affiliations, alliances and favours bank deposits that professional pollies (from both sides) build up over the years.

No one said modern politics was nice, and I think that's why there's such a shortage of decent people getting into it.
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Old 14th Oct 2013, 07:57
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I once had occasion to speak with Joan Kirner .... the first female premier of Victoria ... about politics when involved in the Melbourne bid for the Olympics many moons ago. Ms. Kirner was of the opinion that I.O.C. politics was a great deal more dirty than anything she had met with in the Labour party.
I extremely relieved when the Melbourne bid failed.
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Old 14th Oct 2013, 08:03
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It explains why the Labor party have to have a quota on women !
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Old 14th Oct 2013, 11:42
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I don't think being borne into parliament on the back of a gender influenced policy is going to strengthen Shorten's time in office.

If Shorten doesn't deliver to the Unions, as they wish, then he will be gone in fairly short order.
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Old 14th Oct 2013, 11:45
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I loved his comment in his speech today.

Disloyalty won't be tolerated
(or words to that effect).

And he said it with a straight face !
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Old 14th Oct 2013, 13:23
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These idiots just can't help themselves. The factions are back, the faceless men still in control. They have learnt nothing. Brilliant, it's just bloody brilliant. . They are heading for at least 3 terms on the opposition benches, couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of people.

Now all we need is for the Greens to finally implode, and all will be well.

Labor MPs slam return to factional 'cabals', after missing out on frontbench - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
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Old 14th Oct 2013, 18:35
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It's a pity none of the local ALPBC 'personalities' in WA were employed by the State Government, they could be first out the door.
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Old 14th Oct 2013, 21:57
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These idiots just can't help themselves. The factions are back, the faceless men still in control. They have learnt nothing. Brilliant, it's just bloody brilliant. . They are heading for at least 3 terms on the opposition benches, couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of people.

Now all we need is for the Greens to finally implode, and all will be well.
Anna Bligh had a great dummy spit this morning on ALPBC. T.A. must be having a quiet chuckle to himself Playing the gender card when one doesn't get what one wants seems to be a default position for female Laybor politicians.
Just vindicates the Australian public's decision to turf these self interested idiots out.
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Old 14th Oct 2013, 22:04
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Don't you mean Anna Burke, not Anna Bligh ?

Yes, I have just read the article in the Age, def rumblings in the ranks


I loved this quote

"The sway of the factions immediately drew fire from Anna Burke, who lashed out at the process on Lateline. After failing to get the job as chief opposition whip, the outgoing speaker said the caucus voted on deals done beforehand rather than on merit.

"I'm bitter and twisted at this point in time, I'll be brutally honest,"

Ms Burke said."


So a quota is good in some instances but merit in others ?????


Hypocrits.

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Old 14th Oct 2013, 23:37
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I think Anna Burke proved conclusively, with her letter to the Guardian, that she's a true blue berk.

Interesting comment on the Pickering site yesterday that might spark some debate here.

Comments here about Bill Shorten being a Catholic. Bill Shorten's Catholicism is about as deep and meaningful as John Kennedy's was.

However, it's probably worth noting that having even notional Catholics as leaders of both major Parties/Pardees, even 50 years ago in Australia, would have been about as unlikely - and been seen my the rigidly Protestant Australian Establishment** - as having two bearded, fire-breathing, America (and all the West)-hating, Koran-quoting Muslims in those same jobs today.

That was 50 years ago... It will be interesting, (especially given the widely disparate rates of procreation of "New Australians' of the Islamic Faith against what I'd call 'mainstream Australia' today), to see the names of the two leaders of the major parties in 50 years time.

What's the bet one on them might be Mohamed?

Edited to add (from a later comment in the same thread): ** I meant to say that the very thought of two Catholics as Party leaders would have been met with horror and disbelief - and VERY active measures to prevent it - by the Protestant Establishment of the time.

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