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War in Australia (any Oz Politics): the Original

Old 28th Sep 2013, 00:30
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The idea that women will automatically support other women in their workplace is highly dodgy,
Think you are probably right there Worrals, there is a saying in the commercial pilot fraternity that, "Pilots will eat their own young" - a reference to getting ahead etc.
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Old 28th Sep 2013, 09:55
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You were spot on re the bleeding heart story.

The age tonight.

Australia ignored boat rescue call, claims survivor

Survivors from a boat that sank off the south of Java said they had raised the alarm with Australian authorities, passing on their exact location at least 24 hours before their boat sank with the loss of an estimated 59 lives.

"‘‘And we wait two hours. We wait 24 hours, and we kept calling them: ‘We don’t have food, we don’t have water for three days, we have children, just rescue us.’ And nobody come. Sixty person dead now because of Australian government.’’"

Why would anyone get on a boat without food and water ?????
Kind of shows they were expecting to get rescued quickly.

Abbott is playing serious hard ball and it will cost a heap more lives
but I think the message will get through

Australia ignored boat rescue call, claims survivor
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Old 28th Sep 2013, 10:04
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I think these idiots are coming to Australia just to join the labor party.

EDIT: They all looked to be 'well fed' but I could see why they would be persecuted.

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Old 28th Sep 2013, 10:09
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Yep

But taking kids that can't swim on rickety old boat in the ocean
shows little regard for their safety IMHO.

I love the way they can supposedly transmit their GPS location exactly
but a commercial boat can't find them, a boat that had no connection
to the Aust Gov't. I bet they sent the wrong location.

Here is a guess. I reckon these boats are not trying to make the crossing
but are trying to be picked up early so as to avoid the dangers of the
crossing, although in this instance it seems to have back fired.


Sunday's papers will be full of more bleeding heart stories
from this or that lefty organisation with the words
"human rights" spread throughout.

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Old 28th Sep 2013, 10:23
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The way I see it, this event (also reported by the ALBC) would only fuel more support for the current Govt policies to be enforced.
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Old 28th Sep 2013, 11:01
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If the reports that most of the women and children perished, Mark Riley of Channel 7 and the ALPBC might be struggling to find that heart wrenching, photogenic, prepubescent female face I predicted that we'd see on our TV screens immediately after the tragedy. The one pic. I saw of survivors, male, middle aged, overly well fed won't be what they'll be wanting for the evening news 'grab'. I wouldn't put it past them to find someone who wasn't on the boat but better fits their 'narrative'. It's not as though they haven't done similar things before. Carbon Cate standing in front of a backdrop of a smoke-belching power station that closed thirty years ago comes immediately to mind.

They say that most of the people on the boat that foundered were from Lebanon and Yemen. WTF are Lebanese requiring asylum from? The hundreds of thousands of Syrians who have sought asylum in Lebanon? And if he was escaping genuine persecution in Lebanon, (highly unlikely , but where there is a fully functioning Australian embassy including a visa section), how many 'safe haven' countries did he pass through before he got to Indonesia? Eight kids and a pregnant wife... If the family had made it to CI, how much would they have cost the Australian taxpayer in CentreLink payments for the foreseeable future?
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Old 28th Sep 2013, 12:10
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Airborne for 12 hours, and land to find stories of children on rickety boats. I also pose the question, if your children can't swim, why the hell are you placing them in harms way by getting on a bloody unsafe boat in the first place?

And why I are these people expecting the Australian Navy to come to the rescue all the time, what wrong with the Indonesian Navy?

The game has changed people, HMAS Taxi is no longer in service.
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Old 28th Sep 2013, 12:23
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And I just read the article that says the boat sunk in Indonesian waters!! Why the hell are we getting blamed for something out of our responsibility?

I have a suggestion for the country shoppers.Apply for a visa, go through the normal channels and fly to Australia. It could be a lot safer, if some what hader to gain permission to enter!
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Old 28th Sep 2013, 12:34
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"And I just read the article that says the boat sunk in Indonesian waters!! Why the hell are we getting blamed for something out of our responsibility?"


How come the UN writes reports about this that and the other
in regards to Australia not doing this, that and the other but you
never see any comment about Indonesia and its SAR responsibility.

I thought every country with sea borders had SAR areas they had
to cover, why does Indonesia seem to be able to fob off what happens
in their waters ?

FFS, 20 years ago I ran a C-130 Herc engines for 30 minutes
on some remote runway and was told that cost a packet. So if
we are using Hercs and other planes to search their waters,
how much are we spending a month doing it ?


Maybe if they are in Indonesian waters we just say no, fcuk it,
not our problem and let them be. By the time a few boats have
sunk the message will get through that we are not interested in
picking them up anymore.

As SOPS said, HMAS Taxi is no longer in service.

Or tell the Lefties to go and do it themselves.

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Old 28th Sep 2013, 13:09
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Five'll get you ten Sarah 2dads will be on at least one of the Sunday morning current affairs shows in tears over this.

With apologies to Marlon Brando: "Oh, the humanity!"
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Old 28th Sep 2013, 13:28
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Serious question for any Quran scholars on the forum:

If you die in a boat that sinks on its way to Australia, do you still get the 72 virgins? What do the virgins get?
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Old 28th Sep 2013, 13:49
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7x7, Sarah Two Dads has been very quiet of late, almost conspicuous by her absence, I'm just waiting for her to pop up, and give us her tear ridden analysis of the latest events. But so far it has not happened, maybe ( but I don't really believe this ) they realise their power base has gone, and the Australian voter believes they are a spent force.
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Old 28th Sep 2013, 19:31
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I'd lay a bet on that but like SOPS, that she WON'T be on.

However one of them will be on.

It will be interesting after the power struggle (Milne / Bandt)
to see which one will be fronting the media in the next few
weeks. Milne can't deny Bandt media exposure as he is the
most popular Greeny.
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Old 28th Sep 2013, 19:38
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Just went and read the Age. This might answer why Two dads has been "missing in Action".

Milne's Greens 'marching to slow death'

On her way out of the party-room meeting that returned Christine Milne as Greens leader on Monday morning, Senator Sarah Hanson-Young walked past a table of journalists at Aussies Cafe at Parliament House.
To their bewilderment, Senator Hanson-Young matter-of-factly announced that her party had just returned a leader that would see the party ''marching to a slow death''.
After the election, at which the Greens bled a third of their vote, recriminations within the party have been swift. There is clear disquiet in the party's senior ranks about Senator Milne's leadership, but for the first time, it is out in the open. It was revealed last week six of the party's 18 most senior staffers, including Senator Milne's chief-of-staff Ben Oquist, had left.
One Greens senator told Fairfax Media: ''I believe all this [leadership speculation] is because there are concerns about where [Senator Milne] takes us in the next three years. If we have the same result we had this election, we will be gone; we can't afford to do it again.''
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But who is driving the destabilisation in this post-Bob Brown era of the Greens?
Senator Hanson-Young, an outspoken and ambitious party room member, is often mentioned by her colleagues as one of the key destabilising forces. Four separate sources claim that she made a bid for the party's leadership team at Monday's party meeting, a charge she denies.
The story goes that Senator Hanson-Young tried to gauge support for her to run for deputy leader, a position now held by the member for Melbourne, Adam Bandt, who would then be propelled into the leadership. (Senator Hanson-Young would not comment on Saturday, other than to say ''that's just not true'').


I'll let you read the rest.

Milne's Greens 'marching to slow death'
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Old 28th Sep 2013, 20:09
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These AS boats are organised.

This from an article in news.com.au

"Dr Michael Kheirallah, the chairman of the Victorian Lebanese Community Council, said Melbourne man Abdulah Abdulah last heard from his cousin on-board when it was turned back to Indonesia, because “something was wrong with the boat”.

Dr Kheirallah said there were other Lebanese families in Melbourne who had relatives on the boat and most were in limbo waiting to hear if their loved ones were among the 28 who had survived."

So, they all know they are coming which to me doesn't sound like
refugees fleeing persecution but a group all with relatives in the
same area - Melbourne - all getting on one boat.

Check out the photos of the fit young male survivors on the beach.

More details of the latest asylum seeker tragedy emerge | News.com.au

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Old 28th Sep 2013, 22:12
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Given the time it takes to pack up and leave the home country to make the journey to Indonesia, it should be obvious that the people arriving (or not arriving!) off Christmas island now almost certainly started planning their journey BEFORE the Australian election.

Note also that, after Kevni's (remember him?) announcement that single males would be sent to Manus and Nauru, the high proportion of women and children on this boat. (Under Labor's 'Kevni the hard man' policy, family groups would clearly still make it to the Promised Land.) The smugglers - and more importantly, their clients and their relatives in Australia tailored the passenger lists to circumvent Labor's announced 'constant sound bite' policies.

Compare that with the new government's policy of not announcing their every move in detail.
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Old 28th Sep 2013, 22:17
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Looking like the boat broke up in the surf just off-shore. Bet the Indos' wont cop flak from the media though.
I thought the fact that the wreckage was already on the beach pointed to some creative reporting.

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Old 28th Sep 2013, 22:17
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The media hate TA, making very pointed reference to TA "refusing to
comment" on the AS boats that sank and those that were rescued.

Good on him, he is setting the Agenda, not the media
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Old 28th Sep 2013, 22:33
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I just heard on the news they capsized 50 metres off the coast !!!
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Old 28th Sep 2013, 22:52
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Yahoo!7 (Seven News) is currently screaming that Australia did nothing to help for over 24 hours with no mention of exactly where the boat sank.
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