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Old 2nd Sep 2013, 11:18
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Perhaps he is showing his true credentials........and surprising a lot of us.

(Actually, I think it's because labor has tried so hard to rubbish him in such an over the top manner that they've created a public image of him that makes the dubious reality look good by comparison.)
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Old 2nd Sep 2013, 11:18
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It will be interesting if some Labor insider ever publishes all the details of what Rudd got up to in poisoning JEG's chalice during his time in the political wilderness. I suspect that if all the details ever do come to light, even the Labor true believers will be somewhat disenchanted by Kevni.
They may not publish but the stories will be out there... They're already cutting him loose. In a way though, this is the King Lear moment that had to happen. Until Rudd gets flogged at the polls he will be an albatross around the neck of the ALP; the non-faction dirker who 'can't remember' what union he was in. The ALP went along with his BS while it was winning support, but see how they turn come Saturday... Just my hunch.

It's not like he was ever loyal or likeable to start with. I think he'll find that the heavies are as fair weather friends as he was to them. Once he's no use to them they'll deal with him as only the labour movement can . No room for losers, particularly losers with no friends. That's when you need mates, and who's a mate now? Even Shorten and Wong have all but cut him free. The machine has a loose cog, and its name is Rudd.

There's no way the Labor Party can regroup under his lead. The standout quality (if you can call it that, but I do) amongst most good Labor people is their dedication to the movement and the party. In hindsight I don't think Rudd has ever displayed that, because he doesn't believe in it. He believes in the Rudd, and the movement was just a handy catalyst to get the Rudd out there. Now it's crashing down and he's taking them with him.

Of course they deserve everything they get, because they let him run. They let him pick and choose Ministers (which Gillard continued), they let him carry on and poonce around because they mistakenly believed he was popular. He was for a while, but you can't run a country on populist sound bites. Maybe Albo's still trotting along, but IMO he's never been a serious contender. Everyone else is making like Elmer Fudd; being vewwy vewwy quiet.

In many ways Gillard was as bad, but when they gave her the nod she stepped away without backstabbing and shit stirring. For all that she was a dreadful PM (and she was), at the endgame she was a loyal Labor Party member and behaved accordingly. Rudd? He's a loyal Ruddster. Nothing more.

One thing's for sure; between Swan, Beattie and Rudd the next time the federal ALP trusts a Queensland pollie I'll be agitating for seniors' rights. It hasn't worked out well.
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Old 2nd Sep 2013, 11:18
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HID, that's exactly what Kevni and all you True Believers have been - and still are - hoping for for over a year now.

Still five days to go. Watch this space for some absolutely damning 'revelation' about Abbott just hours before the electronic media blackout comes into effect. What'll that be? Tuesday or Wednesday?
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Old 2nd Sep 2013, 11:48
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From Larry Pickering's site:

The Washington Times reported today that a senior United Nations diplomat said testimony from gassed victims strongly suggests it was the rebels, not the Syrian government, that used Sarin nerve gas during a recent incident in the revolution-racked nation.

Carla del Ponte, a member of the U.N. Independent International Commission of Inquiry on Syria, told Swiss TV there were “strong, concrete suspicions, but not yet incontrovertible proof,” that rebels seeking to oust Syrian strongman Bashar al-Assad had used the nerve agent
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Old 2nd Sep 2013, 12:14
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There's a counter view circulating that del Ponte was talking about a smaller event back in April.

I'll be keeping an open mind for now.
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Old 2nd Sep 2013, 12:30
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Worrals over the years I've read your posts and pretty much all of them have been well written and insightful but that last one takes the prize!

The ALP will dump Krudd quicker than a chef drops a turd thinking it was a sausage. He's barely being tolerated by his supporters let alone the party at large. Just have a look at some of the stills photos taken during his obligatory standing ovation and look at the body language. If there was such a thing as guilt-free murder in this country then Krudd would be dead already.
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Old 2nd Sep 2013, 12:48
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Hey 7 x,
Funny that me a true believer is hoping that Abbott makes a major cock up and the neo cons that inhabit this site are praying that he doesn't, at least we are in agreement that we all know what Abbs is capable of.
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Old 2nd Sep 2013, 13:14
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Hate to break to you hid, but you won't find too many neo cons around these parts.

Just a gaggle of rational (ok, occasionally rational) thinkers with a healthy dose of real world experience.

The most erudite and intelligent member is an avowed union activist.

We're a broad church. Most of us welcomed the 2007 election result (although most of us recognised Rudd was hollow - but, hey, how much damage could he really do?)

The way you see us now is the result of the evolutionary process called 6 Years of Rudd/Gillard/Rudd/Greens.

I expect this week to see the smear job to end all smear jobs but, even if Abbott puts both feet in his mouth, I don't see it changing the outcome.

When your avowed long time supporters are coming out against you, the writing is on the wall. When those long time supporters are having their views broadcast on the ALPBC, you know it's definitely over.
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Old 2nd Sep 2013, 13:21
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Yes, sadly, Cooda's right.
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Old 2nd Sep 2013, 14:08
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Hi Cooda,
You could be right, I was referring to the Bolt clan.
As I have mentioned before, the current opposition are way too scary for my liking, better the gooses you know.
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Old 2nd Sep 2013, 14:53
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"As I have mentioned before, the current opposition are way too scary for my liking, better the gooses you know."

Regardless of how scary you think he oppos is, no way are they going to
be as bad as the goose already in the kitchen.
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Old 2nd Sep 2013, 15:24
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Ladies and Gentlemen, I am hoping that its over. Labor can tell the population what ever they like in the last few days, they can paint Tony Abbott as Satan himself, they can try and convince the public that Kevvie Boy is the man, but I really think its finally over, the fat lady is about to sing, and we will hear her on Saturday.
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Old 2nd Sep 2013, 15:55
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Looks like the red haired lady will be doing some singing too

Gillard's law firm files seized as police investigate AWU 'slush fund'

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Old 3rd Sep 2013, 02:25
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Krudd in Tassie telling the Taswegians that Tassie nurses are better trained than mainland nurses. Given the rabidly pro-Labor (mainland) Nursing Federation ads. on radio and TV, you'd have to wonder why he feels he can make a comment like that without offending some of the 'sisterhood'.

I'm not the first to say it, but will this man ever shut up? Every word he says sounds so incredibly insincere and FALSE.

Roll in Saturday.
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Old 3rd Sep 2013, 02:58
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Funny you should mention the 'sisterhood' 7x7, was looking on Politifact today and of the few politicans, unions and interest groups that have received the "Pants on fire" accolade the NSWNMA got the gong for their ads against Abbott. Most election ads I just turn a blind eye too but this one was so ridiculous I found myself hurling abuse at the television.
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Old 3rd Sep 2013, 03:17
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Wipe-out: Rudd's 'dreaming' in Queensland
Rob Burgess

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd may be a “once-in-a-century egomaniac”, as Mark Latham put it, but he is also a once-in-a-generation political salesman.

How else could Labor manage to have stayed above the level of support Julia Gillard had, while being led by a man who undermined her government for three years, and who certainly hasn’t improved Labor’s suite of policies?

At Labor’s too-late campaign launch in Brisbane on Sunday, Rudd’s salesmanship was magisterial. One could forget, for moments at least, that he was selling too many turds, and too few diamonds.

Amongst this odious grab-bag of rehashed policies were some gems intended to impress voters in the seats Rudd was brought back to save – primarily in Western Sydney and Queensland.

There was extra cash to buy young tradies more tools, an increase in the instant asset write-off to tempt Mum-and-Dad small business owners, and a threat to go over the heads of unpopular conservative state governments and rebuild the TAFE system directly with federal funds.

In the first two of that list, Rudd was only adding a bit of extra cash to existing policies. Nonetheless, it’s a direct bribe to the voters he needs on side in those key electorates, dominated by what Business Spectator’s election analytics partner, Torque Data, calls ‘mid-status family’ and ‘mid-status suburban’.

Think The Castle, and you’ve got a snapshot of the families Rudd is trying to win over. But it’s not working. Voters are effectively repeating the phrase Michael Caton’s (who was sitting in the audience at the Labor launch looking decidedly poe faced as were many others) character Darryl made famous in that film: “Tell him he’s dreaming.”

However, Torque’s analysis suggests Rudd will keep his seat. Torque chief executive Oliver Rees says: “A number of marginal polling booths will switch to the Liberals but not enough to challenge the 8.5 per cent margin held by the prime minister.”

The story is less happy elsewhere. Rees says the seat of Moreton will probably be saved, but the remaining six seats – Blair, Capricornia, Ranking, Lilley, Petrie and Oxley – are too close to call.

They will fall to the Coalition unless some of Rudd’s salesmanship cuts through before Saturday.

The goodies announced on Sunday may help, but overwhelmingly Rudd is starting to look like Darryl Kerrigan, standing beside an overhead projector in his garage, trying to convince his neighbours not to give up their homes to allow an expansion of the nearby airport.

And what was one neighbour’s memorable response in that film?

“Get ya hand off it, Darryl.”
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Old 3rd Sep 2013, 03:23
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Well, he might keep his seat hey ?

8.5% swing needed.

I happened to see Julia's electoral seat yesterday, it said SAFE !

And then 22 or 27% lead at the last election.

It will be interesting to see if the new person can build on it or starts
to fall backwards.
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Old 3rd Sep 2013, 03:55
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The machine has a loose cog, and its name is Rudd
I dare say there's a few other faulty parts in there too, Worrals!

No wonder the older believers (Crean, Richardson, Ferguson etc.) have thrown their hands up and distanced themselves from the mess.

You mentioned that it'd be good for them to not be trounced too badly so as to be around as a credible opposition - I agree strong, unified opposition is a cornerstone of our system, but what a job to try to coax something credible out of the ashes of this current mob.

The union rorting, crooked mates' deals and refusal to take responsibility for anything are bad enough, but what really gets me is their willingness to stand up in public and blandly insist everything's great. I guess that's the only option when the edifice is crumbling around them, but I wouldn't think it's the way to win anyone over to the cause.

A bit of humility and respect for the voting public would go a long way, something that at least appears to be being taken seriously by the conservatives.
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Old 3rd Sep 2013, 03:59
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Even if Kevvo keeps his seat, but is no longer PM after Saturday (and I'm daring to hope this), he probably won't be around long as leader of the opposition. If he is deposed, I find it very hard to comprehend that he will sit for too long pouting away on the back bench. He'll grab his entitlements and resign.

Which means that the people who still will vote for him next Saturday (for some reason - who knows why ) will have to go through another election campaign and another election - perhaps even before Christmas.

Serves 'em right if they do
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Old 3rd Sep 2013, 04:00
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Kennett was on TV this morning saying the Polls when he lost were the same,
he was in Abbotts position but lost the election as people didn't want to
give him too much of a lead again.

He was saying these polls might make some switch back to Labor or the Greens and was warning everyone that we might end up with a hung Parliament again.

Personally, Labor needs to be kicked out good and proper, it doesn't matter if the Libs have a good lead IMHO, they won't control the Senate anyway.

Labor will be weak for a while whether they lose by 1, 2 or 10, it will still take
them 2 years to get back as effective opposition.

Anyway, just my HO.
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