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Old 1st Sep 2013, 00:18
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Fair point, I hadn't considered that. I suppose you only need to know a person's name and address to get the slip of paper. A photo ID rule would be easy enough to implement.

Is there really an epidemic, though, of people getting fined for voting twice when they didn't really? I don't believe it's a huge problem but I'm happy to be corrected.
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Old 1st Sep 2013, 00:39
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There's no need for photo ID, if the system works.

The penalty for intentionally fraudulent multiple voting is 12 months in prison.

After the election, all the marked off rolls are scanned. Any double markings off are investigated, with the voter contacted. If there are fraudulent double markings off, and the number of them is sufficient to have affected the outcome of the vote in that electorate, then either the returning officer or the losing party can have the vote in that electorate declared invalid for fraud and a bye election is held.

Since the system was overhauled in 1983, this has not happened.

(information from AEC site)

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Old 1st Sep 2013, 04:28
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Listened to labor's launch on radio while driving around this morning.

Albo did the warm up with a Tony Abbott roast. Should have been accompanied by a warning advisory "Contains untruths". A bit too over the top to appeal to many, other than the true believers. Too much in the gutter to swing the uncommitted.

Ms Rein did the intro and again used a number of long debunked claims to introduce Saint Kevin. Rather cringeworthy.

Kevin delivered. Passion, vision, ideas.........vintage Rudd.
Ignored the difficult issues and spent more time than was needed attacking Abbott. Left a lot of his claims about Abbott open to rebuttal and valid accusations of, again, resorting to untruths.
Made lots of promises aimed at the hip pocket and announced grand new schemes.
The only problems for me were:
What he left out, particularly Defence
How he would pay for it all (we've got a AAA rating so nothing to see here, move along) and
How you could possibly believe he could deliver on his promises given his and labor's past performance.

Still, it went down well with the gathered throng.
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Old 1st Sep 2013, 05:48
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A surprising number of people don't have photo ID, particularly amongst the elderly who often turn in their driver licences and don't hold passports. Unless a mandatory national ID card scheme is introduced, demanding ID is unworkable.

It is not compulsory for a citizen to have a photo ID, but it is compulsory for them to vote. I'd think that preventing Australian citizens from voting because they don't possess an optional photo ID card would be legally very dodgy.
Still, it went down well with the gathered throng.
I guess it was hardly an impartial audience ! Launches are for true believers, which is probably why they're so excruciating to outsiders. The Albo comedy routine sounds particularly awful; I'm glad I missed it.

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Old 1st Sep 2013, 06:20
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Professor who??

What does the University of Adelaide stand for? - Michael Smith News
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Old 1st Sep 2013, 08:10
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Sise ... the problem in the near future will be the arrival of those who don't measure up to the honesty of the present 'Joe Blows'. and I always take my own pen.
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Old 1st Sep 2013, 10:11
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Old 1st Sep 2013, 10:38
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It's probably about now that a youtube "Downfall" clip will appear which will demonstrate the ranting and raving of Krudd after the Treasury officials queered his pitch.

I don't think that I would have liked to be anywhere near when he blew his top over that one. And one wonders whether Bowen and Wong suddenly had an epiphany when they saw him in full flight.
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Old 1st Sep 2013, 10:46
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Loved 'Unco' Garretts solo.
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Old 1st Sep 2013, 12:08
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An article in Saturday's Courier suggested that Wong was always against the costing debacle, fearing that it would go horribly wrong. The impression they gave was that Bowen overrode her and went with the big sting, only to have the wasp turn back and bite him.

There are three possibilities here, and they're all intertwined.
1. Treasury aren't as Labor biassed as has been suggested,
2. Treasury know damned well that they'll be Under New Management come next week and
3. Many decent senior public servants hate being used as political pawns, even if they're personally aligned to a particular side. It's not their role, and shame on Rudd for trying to drag them into a political advertising campaign. Apart from any ethical considerations it would have been both smart and courteous to word them up first. That obviously didn't happen.
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Old 1st Sep 2013, 13:09
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From the Catallaxy Files

Therese, you should have warned us six years ago!

Posted on 9:02 pm, September 1, 2013 by Poor Old Rafe

Therese Rein introducing her husband at the Labor launch this morning:

I want to introduce a husband who when sent to Bunnings for a mozzie candle, one mozzie candle, comes back with Roman flares, blu-tac, an extension cord, potting mix, a step ladder, secateurs, but no mozzie candle.

This was the man who was “sent out” to be a fiscal conservative and put an end to reckless spending, to address climate change as the greatest moral challenge of our time, and to deliver an educational revolution.

So now we have hundreds of billions of dollars wasted, climate change has practically disappeared from the political agenda, and the educational revolution…?

If only Therese had told us in 2007 how he does the shopping!
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Old 1st Sep 2013, 15:22
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Rudd has to go. Here is his response on ABC Lateline when confronted with the deliberate fiction of Labor's accusation of a 'fraud on the public' by the Coalition.

TOM IGGULDEN: Mr Rudd says he had good reason to accuse the Opposition of committing a $10 billion fraud on voters.

KEVIN RUDD: Our responsibility as the government in the context of the contest of this election is to make sure that the spotlight is on that quantum and therefore the elements contained within it and in the absence of them providing full details what therefore constitute logical conclusions based on the basis.

What on earth goes on in that guy's head?

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Old 1st Sep 2013, 15:55
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I heard the reason for the $10 billion and what Treasury based it's costings on,
which were figures provided by Labor that were in the public domain. The Libs then provided figures to Treasury which made Treasury release details to the media that contradicted Labor. No wonder Rudd / Labor is pissed off.

But he will keep repeating the $10 bil figure even if it isn't true,
just because Rudd is Rudd and gets him media coverage.
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Old 1st Sep 2013, 16:03
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What Labor did that was so wrong, afaik, was to announce that Treasury and the other two offices had 'analysed and costed the Opposition's policy' when as you say Labor had given Treasury etc only their best guess at the Coalition policy, based on available information. Understandably, both the Coalition and Treasury etc are pissed off. Rudd stood between two nodding (if worried looking) ministers and lied to the people of Australia. That's the problem, not the accuracy of what Labor gave Treasury.

Rudd's gobbledygook in blue above is his attempt at an excuse for the lie. He says it's the Opposition's fault for not releasing details of its policies. However, he is wrong there too. There is no requirement for the Opposition to provide Rudd or anyone else with details of its policies at any particular time. For the last two elections, Labor, for example, has released details of its policies only at 5pm on the eve of the election. None of this stops Rudd, of course.

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Old 1st Sep 2013, 16:07
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Yes, I didn't express myself well.

I could tell Treasury were pissed off because they were damn quick
to come out once they had the real figures

Payback !!!
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Old 1st Sep 2013, 16:18
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They were used, badly. Rudd is shameless.

Plus Treasury is probably doing its best to make sure they don't have another three years of Rudd.

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Old 1st Sep 2013, 21:40
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I will be back in Australia for Election Day, can't wait! And I am predicting Rudd will have a melt down at about 9.00 pm EST. It will a joy to watch
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Old 1st Sep 2013, 21:52
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Here is a question for all.

Will he be magnanimous in defeat (like others have been) or will he utter the words along the lines of:-

The Electorate is wrong in electing Abbott (if he can bear to use his name)
and they will come to regret it. We were / are the better party to lead Australia.
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Old 1st Sep 2013, 22:01
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If the polls are even halfway accurate, we won't have to wait for the Sandgropers to wind up their polling.

I suspect though, that there'll be quite a few who'll fall into the trap of voting Labor "so the Libs don't win by too much".

I heard a local Greens candidate spruiking her lines on the ALPBC this morning. She was almost a parody of a Greens candidate, ticking damn near every box, and when asked to give her opinions on any other issue than climate change - sorry, CLIMATE CHANGE - struggled to string three words together.

Sadly, there'll also be a large number of disgruntled Labor voters who'l vote Greens "as a protest", which could be likened to amputating your leg at the knee to fix an ingrown toenail.
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Old 1st Sep 2013, 22:06
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It's a pity some of these Greens weren't planted so as to fertilize the earth.
Enough Shyte in them to grow a forest.
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