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War in Australia (any Oz Politics): the Original

Old 29th Aug 2013, 07:54
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I think the thing I dislike most about the current labor party is that they have made Tony Abbott look electable.

Die hard, big L Libs don't like Turnbull. They think he's a closet leftie, and I suspect they're correct. That's why a lot of Labor types (myself included) like him, but he doesn't wash with a lot of hard core Libs. In any case, he lost the leadership ballot, and unlike the ALP, the Libs (and Turnbull himself) have stuck with that.

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Old 29th Aug 2013, 12:26
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It would seem Kevni, Albasleazy and Penny Pong have been caught out telling porkies BIG TIME over their claims that Treasury uncovered a $10 billion black hole in the Coalition's costings. Obviously, someone at Treasury is hoping to keep his job after Sept 7th.

And over on the Michael Smith site, some "movement at the station" over JEG's days as a young and naive lawyer showing her to be perhaps a little less naive than she would like us all to believe she was. And she was being 'young and naive' two years before she met Wilson.
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Old 29th Aug 2013, 14:52
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I think that little episode will be the final nail in the coffin of the ALP campaign. Krudd kicked off saying that the election was about who to trust; he prefaced today's pantomime by calling Abbott untrustworthy and yet here he is, caught with his hand so far down the cookie jar that he got his shoulder stuck!

Wong and Bowen, by standing by Krudd's side and nodding heads, stand equally condemned.

At least we can now answer Krudd's question - who do you trust? It sure as hell ain't you Kevvy.
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Old 29th Aug 2013, 15:35
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Ok, I'm a bit confused..being overseas at the moment. You guys are saying Pong and Co have been caught out on costings, I have read the report on the ALPBC, and they are still reporting a Liberal costing blowout. Now, I need to know...who am I to believe?

(can any one link me to the truth please?)

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Old 29th Aug 2013, 15:54
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"Now, I need to know...who am I to believe?"


Certainly NOT the ALPBC

I'd go wit any of the major newspapers regardless of Bias
because they are at least likely to report what Treasury has
said correctly and then put their own spin on it.

The first 3 are all the same stable but give different perspectives on things
according to the state.
theage.com.au
smh.com.au
watoday.com.au

heraldsun.com.au
theaustralian.com.au


Between that lot you should get an idea
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Old 29th Aug 2013, 16:08
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There's a lovely essay in Quadrant on the ABC:

Barry kept it up for the full 15 minutes, commenting not so much on the news and its coverage, which is his brief, but giving birth instead to the palliative mythology from which supporters of this government will draw comfort two Saturdays from now, as the tally of fallen seats grows by the hour. As viewed from the ABC’s ivory tower, Labor will not have lost because voters seized the chance to end six years of shambling incompetence, internecine feuds, party-room betrayals and general chaos, but because the electorate is composed of dim bulbs whose passions are turned on and off by Murdoch’s claw-like hand upon the switch.

Arrogant? Elitist? Condescending? All of that, you bet, but instructive all the same, as that smarter-than-you attitude goes some way towards explaining why Rudd’s flaws go unremarked in the ABC’s newsrooms, especially its Current Affairs unit. Tape worms are ugly creatures, but not to each other.
I hope this URL works:

http://http://www.quadrant.org.au/bl...c-at-their-abc

Otherwise look for Roger Franklin, Aug 28, 2013. It's a good read, whatever your bias.

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Old 29th Aug 2013, 16:55
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I have no doubt that the same hatey-lefty bile will be spilled in the 'letters to the editor' pages of press throughout the land as well as on these pages from the likes of HID et al who will refuse to accept the umpire's verdict and the will of the majority.
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Old 29th Aug 2013, 17:04
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It's already started. An inner urban dwelling, Prius driving, fashionable hound owning copywriter of my acquaintance is claiming that 'we', ie he ie the Labor Party, is being screwed over by Murdoch.

No mention of the ABC's bias, or of Murdoch's support for Rudd in 07, or of Labor's incompetence.
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Old 29th Aug 2013, 17:19
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500N, I hope you realise my question was sarcastic, what I wanted is real news feed, not Intertass news in the guise of the ALPBC.:
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Old 29th Aug 2013, 17:34
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Penny Wong says there is a black hole of 10 billion in the coalition
figures. Why no mention of the 300 billion deficit she has created
while running the finances, that's real Penny not maybe or any
sort of forward estimate. Someone has to pay for labors stupidities.
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Old 29th Aug 2013, 18:27
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Someone has to pay for Labor's stupidities
That would be those of us who are productive and earning an income.

The 'Blame Murdoch' thing - or meme, as its proponents call it - doesn't wash.

How much does it discount the influence of the huge and expensive, and FREE to everyone, government broadcaster, and its demonstrably left tilt?

Isn't it possible that the Murdoch press reflects rather than leads public opinion? After all, people pay to read Murdoch's reporting, and people won't continue to buy views that disagree with what they already think.

The alternative, that the average voters are idiots who pay Murdoch to tell them what to think would only be believed in ABC Land.

PS: Wong is a law/arts graduate. Nothing in her CV indicates any facility with financial management.

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Old 29th Aug 2013, 22:57
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I don't know why you all watch the ABC when it annoys you so much. Maybe it's the same reason I read Bolt occasionally; to find out what the enemy propaganda is saying?

Or maybe some of you watch it because it annoys you?
PS: Wong is a law/arts graduate. Nothing in her CV indicates any facility with financial management
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So is Hockey. In fairness he was a banking lawyer, but I don't know if that's a good or a bad thing.
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Old 29th Aug 2013, 23:00
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SOPS

Sorry, I misread your post
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Old 29th Aug 2013, 23:24
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Originally Posted by RJM View Post
Isn't it possible that the Murdoch press reflects rather than leads public opinion? After all, people pay to read Murdoch's reporting, and people won't continue to buy views that disagree with what they already think.
Arguable. When the papers are splashing huge editorialised headlines on the front page, people don't have to pay to see that. Hearing or seeing something enough times tends to cement a view in place. It's all about rhetoric.

Murdoch is free to support whomever he wishes, but there's no denying his papers have become outright LNP campaign material of late. There's nothing of the sort available from either Fairfax or the ABC, however hard you squint your eyes.

I definitely disagree that his papers are purely a reflection of public opinion. If they were, would we even be having this discussion?

Much like Sportsbet, I'm not a fan of seeing these huge companies use their might to try and influence the democratic process. But maybe I'm just a limp-wristed latte-sipping Prius-driving iPad-swiping socialist.
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Old 29th Aug 2013, 23:34
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Is the Australian still one of the best newspapers in the world? It's one of the few I could read front to back, every day.
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Old 29th Aug 2013, 23:42
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It is not immune to the will of Rupert Murdoch. Not a bad paper if you keep that at the back of your mind though.

You might like to balance it with the AFR which is the Fairfax equivalent.
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Old 29th Aug 2013, 23:46
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It's good but don't know about the best in the world.

As chuboy and I have said, better off reading a couple of newspapers
and taking a bit from each / throw out the spin to get what you want.
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Old 30th Aug 2013, 00:07
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Balance is good, agreed. But no need to blend truth with fantasy when it's the news you're seeking.
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Old 30th Aug 2013, 01:01
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I actually buy the Age ! Only on Sunday though as I like to attempt to do the crossword.
The 'letters page' is a hoot. I've stopped getting annoyed at the inner suburbs "socialists" with their greeny ideals,( and a tram at the end of the street of course),and treat the entire 'paper' as a sort of Beano for ancient hippies. I now find it quite soothing and look forward to reading the splutters of indignation in a fortnights' time.
As for bias, perceived or otherwise, it is noticeable that if the Age wishes to reprint anything to do with the U.K. it invariably lifts an article from the Guardian ..... now there's an unbiased publication, NOT.

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Old 30th Aug 2013, 01:16
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Originally Posted by BenThere View Post
Balance is good, agreed. But no need to blend truth with fantasy when it's the news you're seeking.
That is precisely why you need to read from more than one media source, at least in this country. (I'm sure it's the same everywhere, except perhaps North Korea.)
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