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Old 29th Aug 2013, 00:43
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Maybe, just maybe, it might stave off the population crisis that we could well be entering.

The birth rate for the upper socio-economic bracket is well below replacement levels whilst, thanks to the baby bonus, the slow-of-learning and hard-of-understanding brigade are producing tomorrow's social problems like it's going out of fashion. Add to that the fecundity of our muslim brethren and one can start to see the attractions of persuading "the lady lawyer from the northern suburbs" to produce more kids.
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Old 29th Aug 2013, 01:37
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For me the stars are aligning for the wife and I to move to Australia. We were going to split time between the American South and Adelaide (at this point probably Glenelg). But now that the Aussie dollar has come down from the stratosphere, my mandatory retirement is 33 months away (though I'm continually tempted to walk before then), and the American people seem increasingly committed to decline, I think we're going to make a lock, stock and barrel move to OZ.
There are a lot worse places to live (all but 4 of them in fact). In a recent press release Adelaide was voted as the 5th best city in the world (I've lived here since 1975) and I'd have to agree. It's easy to get around, the state ALP government will be turfed out next March, there are great restaurants and it's easy to escape from the city. My biggest gripe is Adelaide seems to miss out on a lot of world class live entertainment shows and if you really want to go see one you need to get across to Melbourne or Sydney.

I'm guessing this picture was taken from the apartments (formerly a hotel) on the south end of O'Connell st. I'm lucky enough to live about 650 metres due North of where this was taken.

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Old 29th Aug 2013, 01:42
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"In a recent press release Adelaide was voted as the 5th best city in the world "

And Melbourne was 1st

I think Melbourne and Adelaide are similar cities,
Green, slower pace than Sydney.
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Old 29th Aug 2013, 01:48
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Angry Silence of The Polls

Why are so many candidates hiding, and why won't they make themselves available to electors? Quite a few of Liberal candidates are apparently making a fine art of 'dodgem'. The following article is in the Sydney Morning Herald today:

They are the political class that could sweep Sydney and help hand government to Tony Abbott - but they won't take questions from school students.
Ten days before the election, Coalition candidates poised to win a host of seats across Sydney are being shielded from interviews and refusing to turn up to local events.
This extends to high school interviews - where students grill candidates about what they would do for the electorate and answers are published in local newspapers.
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Two weeks ago, Fairfax Media contacted more than 50 sitting members and candidates for Sydney seats to ask them about issues in their seat.
Nine from the ALP, including Immigration Minister Tony Burke, gave interviews. But only one Liberal, opposition communications spokesman Malcolm Turnbull, responded.
For the Liberal Party, poised to win next Saturday according to the polls, the silence appears increasingly systemic, with multiple examples emerging of candidates pulling out of events or interviews.
One senior Liberal source involved in marginal seat strategy said there was little to be gained in exposing candidates to media, particularly metropolitan media.
''If its a request for a TV interview or a newspaper, it would generally be a 'no'. There is more that can go wrong than the benefit from a good interview.''
Another Liberal operative working in western Sydney seats said: ''You just don't expose the new guys who have no experience.''
SBS News reported that ''the Coalition is banning some of its candidates from speaking to the media or their electorate'', with Andrew Nguyen, Liberal candidate for Fowler, being refused permission to take part in an SBS-run community forum.
And in western Sydney, Fairfax Community Newspapers has been trying to organise ''job interviews'' in high schools, where students question candidates about their suitability for the job of local member, with their answers to be published in several local papers.
At the first interview last Thursday in the seat of Greenway, Labor MP Michelle Rowland and Greens candidate Chris Brentin turned up to Glenwood High School, but the Liberals' Jaymes Diaz, who is favoured to win the seat, did not.
Mr Diaz conducted an infamously poor interview earlier this month with Channel Ten that gained international notoriety and 220,000 YouTube views in a little more than a week. On Tuesday night, he failed to attend a candidates' forum in Blacktown.
On Friday morning, sitting Liberal MP for Macquarie Louise Markus did not show up for a similar event, leaving her Labor and Greens opponents to face the grilling of Richmond High School students. Penrith City Star editor Roslyn Smith said the directive to decline the invitation appeared to come from headquarters.
''I think there might have been some candidates who might have been keen,'' Miss Smith said.
She said she had spoken to Mark Tobin, who is working as an adviser to candidates in western Sydney while on leave from Premier Barry O'Farrell's office, who told her the interviews were not part of the Coalition's ''strategy''.
On Tuesday, Mr Tobin said: ''We get a number of media invitations and we can't accept every offer.''
Fairfax Community Newspapers has also been told by Liberals' NSW headquarters that candidate for Parramatta Martin Zaiter would not turn up for an interview at James Ruse High School.
Liberal candidate for Lindsay Fiona Scott was not planning to show up for one at Penrith High School, and Isabelle White, the party's candidate for Chifley, would not be turning up for one in her electorate.
Labor's candidate for the seat of Mitchell in the Hills, Andrew Punch, has also said he would not attend, though his opponent, sitting Liberal Alex Hawke, may yet.
Mr Turnbull said he would not comment on decisions his colleagues had made.
''Generally I'm very available, as people know,'' he said.
Mr Turnbull, who spoke while on a train heading to a campaign event, said when he was campaigning for the seat of Wentworth in 2004, he did not find door-knocking a ''particularly productive'' way of meeting people, preferring just to be ''out and about''.
''I think personal contact is important, but clearly you reach people using mass media.''
Greg Turnbull, a former media adviser to Paul Keating and Kim Beazley, said it was not surprising some candidates avoided the press when campaigns had become ''gaffe-athons''.
''The whole game seems to be to get a candidate to make a mistake and embarrass the leader,'' he said.
''In that environment do you really blame campaign directors for saying 'for goodness sake keep your head down'?''
Political marketing expert Andrew Hughes said the ''Jaymes Diaz effect'' had candidates ''running scared''. ''The Coalition are running a small target campaign anyway. But this is really small target minimisation at such a micromanaged level, it's just ridiculous,'' said Mr Hughes, a marketing lecturer at the Australian National University's Research School of Management.
Interview requests with Coalition MPs referred to in this story were denied.
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Old 29th Aug 2013, 01:50
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Sportsbet has declared the federal election a one-horse race and we’re paying out all bets on the Coalition nine days before Australia goes to the polls.




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Old 29th Aug 2013, 02:09
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Asa you contemplate who to vote for on 7 Sep, consider what Rudd's own colleagues have said of him on the public record (try and imagine what they'd say in private.....).

If they don't like him (and remember, they're supposed to be on his side of politics), why would anybody with half a brain want him back for another 3 years?


How Rudd’s own colleagues portray him:

Julia Gillard - February 23, 2012:

KEVIN Rudd as prime minister always had very difficult and very chaotic work patterns ... the 2010 election was sabotaged.

Nicola Roxon, ABC TV, February 23, 2012:

HE was very difficult to work with ... I think we need to get out of this idea that Kevin is a messiah who will a deliver an election back to us ... It wouldn’t be good for the country to have Mr Rudd as prime minister again.

TONY Burke - ABC1’s 7.30, February 22, 2012:

And the stories that were around of the chaos, of the temperament, of the inability to have decisions made, they are not stories.

Stephen Conroy - Today Show, February 23, 2012:

KEVIN Rudd had contempt for the cabinet. Contempt for the cabinet members. Contempt for the caucus. Contempt for the parliament. Ultimately what brought him down ... was the Australian public worked out that he had contempt for them as well.

Stephen Smith - ABC 720, Perth, February 23, 2012:

IF you wanted one sentence why the cabinet and the caucus and the party moved away from Kevin, it was because it became increasingly difficult, if not impossible, to work difficult issues through with him.

WAYNE Swan - ABC AM, 23 February 23, 2012:

The truth is, that Prime Minister Rudd is deeply flawed ... he has great weaknesses ... which today have not necessarily been seen in public.
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Old 29th Aug 2013, 03:13
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Ken I haven't seen a Liberal candidate. But then I've not seen any Labour candidate either.
There was a rumour last week that Julia would drop in and say goodbye and she did. Unfortunately no one other than the left leaning council here in Wyndham, who put on a valedictory luncheon for her, knew anything about it. There'll probably be a bill for the cakes etc. in our rate notices next year though.
Then again it's only to be expected. Our state M.P; Labour .. naturally .. was always M.I.A. whilst the Labour party held power for 12 years but has since surfaced as a campaigner for better roads etc. although as Roads minister, for 10 years, under Bracks he did absolutely S.F.A. The word Hypocrite comes to mind. Personally I'd like to give him a smack on the nose for thinking that all "workers" such as myself don't have half a brain.
As an example of the way the Labour party works there is a housing estate being built at the moment with approx. 5,000 houses. No new access roads to cope with extra traffic etc. and this was pushed through by the Bracks Labour government. Our local member, the roads minister at the time did absolutely nothing, no protest at all. In fact the planning minister, a former footballer ! stated that he didn't care what the people of Werribee thought they were going to get the new estate and it's associated traffic chaos so there ! You can all get stuffed.
So you see,Ken.no matter what you come on to this blog and write many of us,those that have experienced the Labour party in the past and have, on occasion given them a fair go have now have now decided to kick them where it hurts.
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Old 29th Aug 2013, 03:28
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When the government swings back to Labor will you be moving out again?
Probably, but if past is prologue, that's another 12 years away.

Actually, Adelaide is a recent change from our previous Queensland focus. The wife's parents decided to move from Innisfail to Adelaide to be closer to their grandkids. Until last year, Cairns or Port Douglas was the target. Things change. Always thought of TNQ as a giant Hawaii.
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Old 29th Aug 2013, 03:32
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Bos,

Welcome to the real world! Come up to NSW and see the nation's finest in terms of planning. There's none, zip, zilch. Equally from both sides of politics. In fact, the current Coalition State Govt wants to remove most planning controls and won't touch infrastructure unless it's in cahoots with the private sector. I call it a lack of social conscience and an abrogation of its responsibilities.
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Old 29th Aug 2013, 03:59
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Why are so many candidates hiding, and why won't they make themselves available to electors?
Cos the Libs ain't stupid! They know what their local candidates are like...
Bosnich's post illustrates the experience many of us have had with our 'local' MPs . This is why I found a recent trip to Katter country most interesting; on crossing the electoral boundary into Kennedy, suddenly the Bruce Highway became a work in progress. Higher, wider, bigger and better, with the upgrade employing a stack of local people.

Much as he's an obnoxious gob, I can see why Katter retains such strong support in Kennedy. If I lived there I'd probably vote for him too. Three years of grandstanding (without doing a deal with Labor) and he's obviously secured a big wad of badly needed federal road funding for his electorate.

That's a good local member, and it's a pity there aren't more of them. Presidential campaigns might be easy for lazy journos and spin doctors, but they do nothing to address people's local concerns.

In a tight election where every seat counts (not that I think this will be tight) those issues suddenly become federally important, but if the local guy is a lazy prat, by then it's too late.

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Old 29th Aug 2013, 04:05
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Ken, you have remarkably left-leaning aggressive views towards the Libs for a professed Liberal voter. Or maybe you're just using the standard tactic of pretending to be a supporter in order to give your views more credence and be allowed in the door?

Just to clarify where I stand to help save some bandwidth. It may not be obvious but I have never voted for anyone but the Liberals as they were the least of all evils.
Not obvious? That's the bloody understatement of the year
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Old 29th Aug 2013, 04:21
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A fringe party with more sensible policies than the Greens?
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Old 29th Aug 2013, 04:26
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Ken ... I know all about the real world and realise that the buggers are all the same etc. etc. but when the Labour party and the unions behave as they do well,quite frankly, they need a good kicking and hopefully this will happen in a few days time. Perhaps then the Labour party, or something which grows from it, will go back to what it used to be and not what it is now, a party for shysters, con men, hypocrites, liars etc. etc. etc. I've been a union member and I've seen how they have been hijacked by the likes of Shorten, Howes, Ludwig.
Then there's Craig Thompson, who by the way spent some of my wife's hard earned contributions on "ladies of negotiable virtue. She, my wife, has never been re-imbursed despite the Federal Labour Party spending $360,000 on Craig's legal costs. No, Julia, despite her abhorrence of misogyny was more concerned about keeping her majority and despite all the Emilys in parliament not one of them ever spoke up on behalf of the FEMALE H.S.U. members who Thompson ripped off ..... so much for women's rights and working class solidarity there, Ken.
There are many genuine people at shop floor level but unfortunately when it comes to those from up the "main office" they are just ladder climbers all after that job in government and the riches that follow. I've seen at first hand how they manipulate meetings for their own ends, how the unions have become more bothered about the "rights" of everyone but their own members, whose money by the way keeps the whole stinking edifice afloat. I could go on but my wife is constantly reminding me about stress.
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Old 29th Aug 2013, 04:31
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And just in case anybody has forgotten about our larger than life Clive Palmer, he's had a blue with the refuellers at Tullamarine. Sounds to me like he's tried to exploit the situation but then it's Clive and you should probably expect such behaviour.

Palmer and Rudd airport stand-off
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Old 29th Aug 2013, 04:42
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Cos the Libs ain't stupid! They know what their local candidates are like...
The HO people aren't but many of the local candidates, some of whom have benefitted from Branch stacking, are that way inclined. That's why we're not seeing or hearing from them.

Siseman, believe me, I am a Liberal fellow traveller but surely I'm allowed to be critical of their behaviour? As I have stated several times, I'm of the small 'l' variety, hence a fair serve of criticism. We deserve better, much better - from each side of the political divide. And if you think my comments so far are aggressive, I suggest you consult the OED.
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Old 29th Aug 2013, 06:00
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Cooda ..... We have a candidate from the "Sex Party" here in Jule's old fiefdom of Lalor. I've just read her answers to questions asked of her by the local paper. Here are a couple.
Asked what "would you do to help alleviate the pressures of growth"?
Answer .
..... " That's not my area of expertise".....( being a candidate for the "Sex Party" I would have thought that growth, of sorts, would have been an area of her expertise but I digress) ...her answer continued, " I'd have to consult somebody on that . I would have to talk to the party leader." She then asked for the question again and answered "I don't actually have an answer for that".
Next question .... Name the suburbs in your electorate.

Answer ...Werribee, Altona .... I'm sorry, I'm actually running outside my electorate. I can't name every single suburb, errrm Hoppers Crossing ?" ( there are actually about 12 ).

Definitely not in with a chance I'm afraid. Probably would be better off going back home to Port Philip and checking out her stock of D****s .
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Old 29th Aug 2013, 06:13
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Cooda

I have managed to avoid reading the local or any election material
although I have to do my postal vote today so can't avoid some of it.

I do wonder why they chose Lalor as one of the seats to stand in
considering it is so Labor it is not funny.
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Old 29th Aug 2013, 06:35
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I must admit I hadn't been paying any attention to them until today.

A 70yo friend and former spin doctor told me he had found a party with reasonable policies - and he wasn't joking.

I'm starting to wonder about his aging faculties - but when you put the policies (ignoring the actual candidates) against those of other fringe groups, they aren't as loopy as some.

Having stirred the pot a bit, I will return to my natural political campaign state of nursing an insulted intelligence.

I think the thing I dislike most about the current labor party is that they have made Tony Abbott look electable.
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Old 29th Aug 2013, 06:35
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Ken, you ask "where are the local Lib candidates?" I think I could answer that question in two words - Jamie Diaz.

The Lib leadership quite accurately sees their Party in a winning position - a not dissimilar situation to the one they were in until John Hewson, Mike Willisee (sp?) and that ***** sponge cake popped from out of nowhere into the electorate's view - and they're doing everything they can to avoid another 'sponge cake'.

Labor, meanwhile, have been hoping and praying for something even remotely resembling a 'sponge cake' to loom into view for at least the last twelve months, if not more.

I'm rather of critical of Tony Abbott in some areas, (and suspect I will be even moreso after Sept 8th). However, in one area, I doff my hat to him in great respect. He's managed to keep a disparate Liberal/National coalition whilst in Opposition almost completely in line, with, at least to the general public and to journalists, a show of almost military discipline within its ranks.

It will be interesting to see if he can maintain that discipline, especially among the prima donnas in the Liberal ranks, once they regain the government benches.
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Old 29th Aug 2013, 07:04
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I think the thing I dislike most about the current labor party is that they have made Tony Abbott look electable.


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