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Old 24th Aug 2013, 21:18
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As an interested outsider, can Rudd assume the helm if he is defeated in his own constituency? What would happen if ALP won the majority but Rudd lost his seat?
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Old 24th Aug 2013, 21:43
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Rudd would need the ALP to find him a nice juicy appointed job
like Ambassador to China or somewhere else.

In other words, he'd need to find a job and Labor would need
to find a new leader.
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Old 24th Aug 2013, 23:16
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The Great Leaderís arrogance continues unabated.
1. A 34SQN jet to Brisbane to appear on a cooking show on TV? John Howard used 34SQN almost weekly to ferry him between Canberra and Sydney, but to appear on a cooking show on TV? Maybe Kevvi has a sympathetic ear in Ms Crabb.
2. A meeting about Syria? Kevvi continues with delusion that he is a player on the world stage. Does he really think anyone in the Middle East or the UN give a flying fcuk what Australia has to say on the subject?
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Old 24th Aug 2013, 23:44
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As an interested outsider, can Rudd assume the helm if he is defeated in his own constituency? What would happen if ALP won the majority but Rudd lost his seat?
No. The PM has to be an MP, generally from the House of Reps. In the unlikely event that he lost his seat while the ALP retained power, the caucus would have to elect a new PM from amongst their sitting MPs. This person would then be formally appointed PM by the Governor General (I think I've got that right ).

If Rudd gets thrown out of Griffith he's no longer an MP and will be looking for another job. After this cooking show debacle he bloody deserves it.

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Old 25th Aug 2013, 00:00
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"1. A 34SQN jet to Brisbane to appear on a cooking show on TV? John Howard used 34SQN almost weekly to ferry him between Canberra and Sydney, but to appear on a cooking show on TV? Maybe Kevvi has a sympathetic ear in Ms Crabb."


Flying between Sydney and Canberra is legit business, although many
would say he could have taken a regular service as a VIP.

But to use Air Force assets for this waste of time and space,
when we are constrained in budgets and everything is tight
is beyond belief.

Election or no election, PM or not, I think someone needs to
set some rules re using the Air Force for this crap.
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Old 25th Aug 2013, 00:12
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I still wish it was Julia doing the squirming, although Kev is the next best thing I suppose.
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Old 25th Aug 2013, 02:12
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Just to add some balance (b-a-l-a-n-c-e). The most profligate user of RAAF assets was a politician named John Winston Howard. He eschewed life in The Lodge in Canberra and even in his own home in Wollstonecraft in Sydney to set up camp in Kirribili House, a couple of kms. down the Pacific Highway. As a result, the BBJs operated a taxi service between Canberra and Sydney to sate Howard's somewhat grandiose idea of his self-importance.

Then there was that infamous occasion when he, Hyacinth and his two sons took a BBJ to Melbourne so that they could watch a game of cricket. JWH was later forced to pay some fares for his sons but only after he was caught out. The most incredible use of the BBJ was a diversion to Broome instead of operating Manila/Canberra. Howard and wife were to spend a few days on holiday in Broome. The BBJ continued from Broome to Canberra only to be tasked a few days later to position from Canberra to Broome to collect the happy holiday-makers and return them to their taxpayer funded residence by the Harbour. Again, only after this extravagance became public knowledge did JWH make a minuscule contribution to the cost of this escapade.

So, the critics here who complain about Rudd's use of RAAF aircraft need also critically examine the use of such aircraft by his predecessors.

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Old 25th Aug 2013, 02:36
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Ken - How much was saved for the public purse by Howard and family not using The Lodge and how much was saved in allowances by not using his own home as an official residence?
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Old 25th Aug 2013, 02:52
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Very little, as he also occasionally used The Lodge which was fully operational. No one, except JWH and his missus, could possibly justify his profligate lifestyle while in office.
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Old 25th Aug 2013, 03:54
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John Howard hasnít been PM since November 2007. Not sure how John Howardís abuse of 34SQN justifies Ruddís similar abuse of 34SQN now. Because they did, itís OK for us to do it too: is that the basis of the argument? B-a-l-a-n-c-e, indeed.
In any case, ask the boys and girls at 34SQN whom they would prefer to work for.
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Old 25th Aug 2013, 04:46
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In any case, ask the boys and girls at 34SQN whom they would prefer to work for.
Gillard was nice enough, wasn't she? I always heard that she was pleasant and well-mannered.
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Old 25th Aug 2013, 05:01
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B A L A N C E

Just to add some balance (b-a-l-a-n-c-e). The most profligate user of RAAF assets was a politician named John Winston Howard. He eschewed life in The Lodge in Canberra and even in his own home in Wollstonecraft in Sydney to set up camp in Kirribili House, a couple of kms. down the Pacific Highway. As a result, the BBJs operated a taxi service between Canberra and Sydney to sate Howard's somewhat grandiose idea of his self-importance.
And you want to describe Howard as profligate? What would you prefer? Someone who's wasted a hundred billion of our hard earned dollars or someone who's wasted maybe one million? I'll make it easy for you - I'll concede Howard wasted ten million, but you can only choose between Howard or Rudd. (I thought so).

I'd be happy for Kevin to use RAAF assets as much and as often as he likes, but he's squandered so much of Australia's wealth and future opportunities that he must be held to account. In his egotistically driven desire to not appear like said John Winston Howard, Rudd dismantled our border protection and we are paying billions each year because of the unconstrained ego of this consumate fool, and that's just one of his failings.
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Old 25th Aug 2013, 05:22
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Gillard was nice enough, wasn't she? I always heard that she was pleasant and well-mannered.
Very pleasant indeed, according to those who flew her. I was comparing how Howard and Rudd interacted with the 34SQN crews.
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Old 25th Aug 2013, 06:06
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And, of course, Gillard had 24/7 security in Altona (A-l-t-o-n-a). And Rudd was so keen on saving money, he sent the BBJ's back for a refund (r-e-f-u-n-d).

But, you've convinced me. I've decided not to vote for Howard in this election (e-l-e-c-t-I-o-n).
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Old 25th Aug 2013, 06:09
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Business jet, schmizmus jet - whatever - I suspect that St Kevvy's need for a media hit will prove to be his ultimate undoing. Most people that I have spoken to do not speak in glowing terms his decision to divert to do a cooking programme.

In short....he bollocksed it - big time.
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Old 25th Aug 2013, 06:57
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The greens are getting worried.

On meet the press, the presenter said they used to be courted by both major parties but because of what Abbott has done, prefs to Labor before Greens
and they may be left off the ballot paper completely in the future,
the Greens are now trotting out "don't let the libs control both houses"

Sounds like desperation to me !!!
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Old 25th Aug 2013, 07:11
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War in Australia (any Oz Politics)

Saw the greens policy on asylum seekers today. They want them to receive more benefits than your average dole bludger, and that's saying something! What a disgrace they are.
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Old 25th Aug 2013, 08:17
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Green's policy = I surrender (please shaft me up the ar*e)
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Old 25th Aug 2013, 08:42
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and we are paying billions each year because of the unconstrained ego of this consumate fool, and that's just one of his failings.
and that is nothing compared to what it is going to cost us down stream when each family has multiplied by five.

I thought the LNP launch today came over very well but I particularly like Bishop the way she dealt with Rudd's multiple character flaws, one can only imagine the mess she would have left Gillard in!
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Old 25th Aug 2013, 09:24
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Ken,with regard to Howard's use of a RAAF V.I.P. aircraft for holiday use I think that you will find that this is a perk for not only Prime Ministers but also for members of cabinet rank as well. Peter Costello, and his family certainly used this privilege for family holidays out of Melbourne in my era of arm waving at RAAF V.I.P. aircraft.
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