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War in Australia (any Oz Politics): the Original

Old 21st Aug 2013, 23:20
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Agreed Andu. I can see no moral justification to use my taxes to prop up someone's decision to have kids. I resent being forced to pay for this. I see no reason why the community should pay a woman so much money for a lifestyle decision. This is up to the couple to support themselves.

On this reason alone, I have decided to move the Libs further down my preference list.
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Old 21st Aug 2013, 23:26
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"At the end of the night when Abbott invited the crowd to Ďask more questions of himí we saw Abbott swamped with people, while Rudd looked a lonely figure as a couple of young men wanted a selfie with him. No-one wanted to speak with him. He left after 5 minutes while Abbott stayed for another 1/2 hour, with a line of people wanting to meet and speak with him. I donít think they noticed Rudd leave and I doubt they really cared."

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Old 21st Aug 2013, 23:34
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Bad move on Rudd's part and an even worse move by his PR team
who should have made sure someone was there to talk to him.

And you can manufacture it so you don't look so lonely.

I would have thought he had that down and sorted by now.


Abbott's election to lose now !!!

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Old 21st Aug 2013, 23:45
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Going to disagree there Andu, the parental leave scheme is, I believe, to be funded by industry who will benefit from being able to keep valued employees who will return after the leave. The leave scheme isn't being funded by income tax. (Company tax reduced by 1.5%, Parental Leave Scheme funded by 1.5% additional company tax).
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Old 22nd Aug 2013, 01:03
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Originally Posted by parabellum View Post
Going to disagree there Andu, the parental leave scheme is, I believe, to be funded by industry who will benefit from being able to keep valued employees who will return after the leave.
There was nothing stopping them doing this before if they thought they would benefit.
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Old 22nd Aug 2013, 01:06
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parabellum, "funded by industry"? WTF are you thinking? If it's "funded by industry", who do you think they'll be charging extra in fees and charges to provide those funds?

You and me, dig.

If I want to have a child, I shouldn't be asking (among others) self-funded retirees, who raised their children without ridiculously overly generous government handouts themselves, to bankroll me. This decision by Tony Abbott to stick with the PPL no matter what will be grasped by Labor and they will milk it for all it is worth. The fact that very few multi-millionaires' wives have jobs that pay $150k pa won't matter a bit. That's what everyone out there in Boganville is going to be told over and over again right up until Sept 7th.

I accept that Public Servants have a very similar scheme already in place. That doesn't make it right. Like too many things Public Servants get, maybe they shouldn't be getting it.
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Old 22nd Aug 2013, 02:45
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On a lighter note............

THE SITUATION:

You are in Queensland , Brisbane to be specific. There is chaos all around you caused by a cyclone, with severe flooding. This is a flood of biblical proportions.

You are a photo-journalist working for a major newspaper, and you're caught in the middle of this epic disaster. The situation is nearly hopeless. You're trying to shoot career-making photos.

There are houses and people swirling around you, some disappearing into the water. Nature is unleashing all of its destructive fury.

THE TEST:

Suddenly, you see a man in the water. He is fighting for his life, trying not to be taken down with the debris. You move closer... Somehow, the man looks familiar...

You suddenly realize who it is.. It's Kevin Rudd!

You notice that the raging waters are about to take him under forever.

You have two options:

1. You can save his life; or

2. You can shoot a dramatic Pulitzer Prize winning photo, documenting the death of one of the country's most powerful men!

THE QUESTION:

Here's the question, and please give an honest answer...

Would you select high contrast colour film, or would you go with the classic simplicity of black and white?
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Old 22nd Aug 2013, 02:54
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I think the fundamental backbone to the parental policy is to reintroduce the parent to a childs early development, rather than a generic, politically correct day care system. There's too much financial pressure on families to take that time off & raise their children, and the easy (albeit expensive) option is to let someone else raise them.

At great cost to us income wise, we raised our children to school age & my better half is still in a casual role to be there for them outside of school hours. Our choice, naturally, does not equate for everyone but I see it as the potential Government trying to make it an alternative for others.

As for "my taxes paying for things I don't support", well, where do you draw the line?
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Old 22nd Aug 2013, 04:48
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Oh it is Sooooooooooooo nice to see a fresh account of what he is really like

Make-up artist Lily Fontana gives Kevin Rudd some lip

You'll hav to read it is the facebook page is a photo.

Here are some other snips
"Ms Fontana took to Facebook afterwards to compare her interactions with the two leaders "One of them was absolutely lovely, engaged in genuine conversation with me, acknowledge(d) that I had a job to do and was very appreciative," she said on her page, which is public.
"The other did the exact opposite!"




And then the Age weighs in with a bit more jus to remind people what
he is really like



"It's not the first time Mr Rudd has come under fire for being rude to people behind the scenes.


In April 2009 he was criticised for reportedly making a RAAF flight attendant cry because his preferred meal was not available on a plane."





Ms Fontana later removed the post from Facebook.


"Didn't think my personal page/opinion of my day would get so much attention," she wrote.


"What a lesson to learn. I've removed the post & regret

making the comments I did.""




My comment is this


Lily, the rest of Australia appreciates you telling everyone what
he is really like and what Abbott is also like
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Old 22nd Aug 2013, 08:47
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Rudd might lose his seat !!!

I just saw the latest poll on Rudd's seat of Griffith.

Looking at the numbers, he is far behind on primary votes
and even 2 party preferred, he is 4 points behind Glasson
(I think that is his name).

So, could be the second time a sitting PM gets the boot !!!
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Old 22nd Aug 2013, 09:11
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Third time, actually. Howard was the second sitting PM to lose his seat.

Rudd "zipped" on Sept 7th... Just the thought of it cheers me up no end.

I look forward to tears and a very runny nose - a repeat performance of his speech after he was so deservedly rolled by his own Pardee in 2010. Let's hope the good electors of Griffith come to the 'pardee' as well.

Time to zip, Kev. Hopefully, permanently from public life.

As in 'for ever'.

No exceptions.
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Old 22nd Aug 2013, 13:25
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The thought of Rudd losing his seat would really make my day! But what actually makes me incandescent with rage is the knowlege that even after we have seen the (equally) worst Prime Minister, alongside Gillard, that this country has ever had the misfortune to experience is that both of them will recieve for the rest of their lives a fully indexed taxpayer funded pension that most of us will never see even as a normal wage!:

Not only that, the Gold pass entitling them to free first class airfares virtually anywhere, anytime, and even full time secretarial staff!

Why do we tolerate this? I would suggest that if Australia were a normal private business both the aforementioned persons would be looking at serious charges of managerial incompetance, imho warranting a lengthy holiday in one of Aunt Lizzies Holiday resorts!

A short story; I can remember an evening back in the last days of the Whitlam era, about when the Khemlani debacle was at its highest. My now late Father was still working as a senior Law Clerk in a local Solicitor's Office and he came home that evening looking a little concerned. After dinned we settled down to watch the evening TV news and just before it started he told me of an incident in his office earlier that day.
A client had come to see him on a certain matter and after business was settled the client mentioned the current political situation and said something like this....

" You know 'Tiny'', there are three ways of removing a Politician from office, and they all start with the letter B! The Ballot box, bullet and bomb! Options two and three are becoming more and more attractive!"

I still remember quite clearly my Dad looking me squarely in the eye and plaintively asking me, "My God Son, has it sunk so low in this country as to people thinking like this?"


Thankfully it did not do so then and I pray fervently that it does not do so now.

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Old 22nd Aug 2013, 13:28
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Re Rudd and his seat of Griffith.

Anyone on here from Brissy / Qld who is more likely to see reports
of how he is travelling in his seat who can keep us abreast of it ?

I don't know how much focus the National media will put on it
and therefore report it.
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Old 22nd Aug 2013, 22:33
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Pinky, not many people know this, but three senior military officers were retired early by the Whitlam Government not long before November 75 because they (the government) feared a military coup. I had worked for the RAAF officer involved, and can assure you, the Labor backroom men were misguided and horribly misinformed if they thought any servicemen would have followed the officer concerned in any coup.

But the fact remains, there were people thinking - even talking about - such things and people within the Whitlam government concerned enough about such feeling within the general population and the military to hasten the end of the careers of three military officers.

The Whitlam apologists have tried to turn him into a martyr and statesman. The result of the election held six weeks after his dismissal gives the lie to that. An overwhelming majority of voters were glad to see the back f him. He and his government were every bit as dysfunctional (if not quite as disastrous) as Rudd and Gillard have been - and continue to be.


Meanwhile.... The bloody Liberals are talking about a "boat buyback" - buying Indonesian fishing boats so they won't fall into the hands of people smugglers.

What are they thinking? They're starting to sound like a bloody government already - and that is DEFINITELY not a compliment!!!
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Old 22nd Aug 2013, 22:41
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No way in hell buying boats could even make a microscopic dent
in the boats available for use by People smugglers.

Their are millions of the bloody things in Indonesia.

God I hope the Liberals come up with some other policies.

Anyway, in 14 days we will have a new PM
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Old 22nd Aug 2013, 23:10
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Anyone on here from Brissy / Qld who is more likely to see reports of how he is travelling in his seat who can keep us abreast of it ?
Hard to tell; like the polls it depends a lot on who you talk to .
However, it's a very Labor area. The state seat went LNP in the last state election, but by less than a hundred votes. Personally I think the last state government was far more unpopular than the current federal government and I'd put a drink on Rudd keeping it with a reduced majority, but I certainly wouldn't bet a lot of money on it.

The word is that Swan's massively on the nose in Lilley, so it will be interesting to see how that plays out.
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Old 23rd Aug 2013, 02:06
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Andu; it was just not airforce officers talking, looking at plans that could eventuate into a military coup at the time.

I am well aware of this having had discussions on several occasions with some who were more than just talking of such planning.

Fortunately, the need for such action did not eventuate with the good commonsense of the Australian public prevailing.

One could but hope this common sense will prevail this time!
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Old 23rd Aug 2013, 04:04
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One could but hope this common sense will prevail this time!
Or what? A military coup where everyone has some 'common sense' belted into them?

Some time ago, various posters expressed their concern that Gillard's government would sieze power undemocratically. It sounds like their concerns would have been better directed at the Opposition.

If the Coalition can't win (and I think they'll romp it in) against the current rabble that is the ALP, then they don't deserve to govern. Propping them up with weapons and violence wouldn't change that.

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Old 23rd Aug 2013, 04:15
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Worrals

That is very true !!!
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Old 23rd Aug 2013, 07:32
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There was no suggestion that a military coup is considered or should be considered this time nor that there has been any known consideration of one.

The information was provided as historical facts supporting what had been reported in a previous post.

'One would hope this common sense will prevail this time' perhaps should have been written as one would hope the good common sense of the Australian voter will again prevail to vote this incompetent government out!
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