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War in Australia (any Oz Politics): the Original

Old 26th Jul 2013, 22:08
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Perhaps Oakes just does what everyone else does in Canberra. Poor behaviour begets poor behaviour, and a bad example from a leader begets it quicker than anything else.
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Old 26th Jul 2013, 23:36
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WITW,
I take your point. You perhaps inadvertently bring up another issue; visa rorting. I recall a recent news article claiming significant 457 visa rorting involving Indian IT workers. I'm not picking on the Indians per se. Yet another reason to treat our "asylum" seeking mates with suspicion.
I am sure that many "asylum seekers" are quite willing to seek meaningful employment, however I re-state my previous assertion that a significant number of them have a remarkable knowledge of welfare entitlements in Australia.

Mind you, so do many Aussie ferals who wouldn't otherwise work in an iron lung.
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Old 26th Jul 2013, 23:47
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I see that John McTernan will now be a regular panelist on Sky's 'Contrarians'.

This seems to fly in the face of what I understood the terms of a 457 visa to be. Is there someone out there who can clarify these terms? He originally was admitted into Australia to work for the Rann (SA) State Government, but somehow was able to transfer to work for Julia Gillard (or, to be more accurate, as a federal government employee - so to work for you and me) still under the same 457 visa.

Now that he's working for News Limited, and (I would imagine) there'd be some difficulty convincing any disinterested observer that there is a shortage of journalists in Australia, how is it that he is able to remain here? Has he been able to switch to a different type of visa?
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Old 26th Jul 2013, 23:56
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A rather well-known name in Australian journalism has been mentioned on these pages. I remember the gentleman in question very well from a very brief encounter I had with him in 1972. I was on duty to meet Gough Whitlam's aircraft when it returned to Canberra from his first trip to China as PM.

The journalist in question, even then already possessing a great face and figure for radio, was among the press who had accompanied Whitlam to China. In those days, Customs were almost like a Gestapo in the way they enforced what you could and could not bring into the country without it either being taken from you or paid duty on.

Unless there had been a Customs officer on the aircraft who had done all the usual Customs stuff before landing, (I have to admit, a possibility, if a very slim one), Whitlam - or someone with an awful lot of clout in Whitlam's party, (buying the meedja off?), waived all that on this particular arrival. Taxis were authorised to come right onto the RAAF tarmac to the cargo doors of the aircraft to allow the meedja to load up all their goodies straight into the taxis' boots. The goodies included lots of large electronic gear, (on which duty was definitely payable - for mere mortals at least), and this all went straight into the taxis and off the Base.

At the time, we mere mortals who were witnessing for the first time that different rules would seem to apply to some, commented that there was no way all those in the press accompanying Whitlam would have bought all that gear only to be very pleasantly surprised that no duty was payable on it. They'd been pre-briefed, and early enough to allow them all to shop 'till they dropped.

However, that's not the point of my post. I recall the gentleman in question starring in overseeing the unloading of his baggage and purchases, making a total tool of himself ordering the RAAF groundcrew to get his gear into his taxi.

He lost me completely on that day and I've never seen him do, say or write a damn thing to change my opinion of him one whit since.

He is and always has been a Labor Party propagandist and hack.
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Old 27th Jul 2013, 00:24
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Seems the arrogant disregard for the ADF by the ALP is par for the course. Ask 34SQN what they think of Kevvie.
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Old 27th Jul 2013, 01:28
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Possibly because those of a leftist persuasion seem to think they are morally superior to those who really serve our country, Cap'n.

But it's not restricted to labor. I have it on impeccable authority that Wyatt Roy displays a similar level of Kevvie arrogance towards serving personnel and support staff. Perhaps it's a Queensland pollie thing.
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Old 27th Jul 2013, 01:53
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No, it's all pollies

Honestly, ask anyone who has served in Aus and done a parade
where a pollie has been inspecting officer or a guest.

How many have genuinely been interested ?

Beazley was like a kid wanting to be a soldier but anyone else ?


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I think Oakes might have been an instigator, not a follower
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Old 27th Jul 2013, 03:12
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Seems the arrogant disregard for the ADF by the ALP is par for the course. Ask 34SQN what they think of Kevvie.
You don't even have to ask them, you'll still hear about it! Likewise the AFP. I feel sorry for all of them.
However, my understanding is that both groups liked dealing Gillard, and found her pleasant and well mannered. Same with Howard. Someone in the party should tell Rudd to pull his frigging head in and stop stamping his tootsies; it's no way for a Prime Minister to behave.

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Old 27th Jul 2013, 03:40
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As much as most hated Gillard, she always maintained her politeness
and from what I have seen of her for 10 years, always has.
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Old 27th Jul 2013, 04:50
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The sooner Gillard finds something productive to do out side of politics the better. A twisted and bitter ex PM is the last thing this country needs.








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Old 27th Jul 2013, 05:14
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Cooda, when would a junior Opposition backbencher like Roy have interaction with Service (military) personnel?

I see Michael Smith is alleging that Iran is "doing a Castro" in sending Iranian criminals to the West, killing two birds with one stone by getting rid of his problem children on the one hand and destabilising the 'enemy' - the West - with the very same move.

The great friend of the West The Islamic Republic of Iran sends its favoured emissaries to help Australia - Michael Smith News
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Old 27th Jul 2013, 07:17
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I always thought Gillard was a horrific mixture of fishwife and harridan during Question Time with hateful, disrespectful body language. I have heard she is very pleasant and charming face to face. Certainly never saw any of that on her public appearances.
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Old 27th Jul 2013, 08:54
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He's done at least one trip to Afghanistan on the Defence charter A340.
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Old 27th Jul 2013, 19:48
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Gday Cooda
All youse lot, Bolta this morning on TEN network chats to our Kevvie


4.00pm - 4.30pm The Bolt Report

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Old 27th Jul 2013, 20:34
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I consider question time to be a glass bowl where rules don't apply.

I was taking outside of Parliament.
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Old 27th Jul 2013, 22:17
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This is worth watching, as will be The Bolt Report this morning.

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Old 27th Jul 2013, 22:31
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"Incapable of making a decision and an obsession with minutia".......make a good senior ADF officer!!

Is this the best the ALP can put forward as leader? And the ALP want us to vote for them?! The concerning thing is that there are quite a number of brain dead fcukwits out there who will!
The case for non-compulsory voting grows stronger.
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Old 27th Jul 2013, 22:59
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I predict a large number of posts, mostly containing "arrrrggghhhhh!" and other unprintable phrases, after regulars here endure the Bolt Report this morning.
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Old 27th Jul 2013, 23:07
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Rudd on a surprise visit to Afghanistan. I was part of a memorable unexpected visit Gough Whitlam (unwillingly - his VIP jet had broken down) made to the O's Mess at Richmond while he was still Leader of the Opposition. I suspect there would be many parallels to that evening and Kevni's visit to the 'stan.

I'd love to have heard some of the comments at the other end of the bar while he was prattling on to the troops in that unique, prissy, schoolmarmish voice of his. Pretty much the same as those made by the Boggies way back then at Richmond would be my guess.
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Old 27th Jul 2013, 23:09
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A twisted and bitter ex PM is the last thing this country needs.

I was under the impression we already had one, aka, one Malcolm Fraser with KRudd displaying similar qualities when confined to solitude.
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