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War in Australia (any Oz Politics): the Original

Old 5th Jul 2013, 22:44
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Not surprising really. There was gossip doing the rounds to the effect that the Indonesian abattoir workers who "squealed" were put up to it by the 4 Corners reporters. Wonder of anything became of that.
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Old 5th Jul 2013, 22:53
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I thought it was the animal rights org than got them to squeal / allow filming ?

Either way, I have no time for them, they want everything and give nothing.

Even when we kill almost instantaneously, they still aren't happy !

And then they allow Halal killing which if not done well
is not instant.
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Old 5th Jul 2013, 23:30
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I'm sure I wasn't the only one who heard at the time of the pink batts fiasco that despite being the fall guy in the public's eye, (where he copped it sweet and did not defend himself publicly), Peter Garrett maintained a position in the Ministry because he had copies of the letters he and his department had sent to Rudd warning of the dangers in allowing a situation to develop where the cowboys would come to the fore installing the batts.

Warnings that were ignored.

From recent comments I've seen in the MSM, it would seem that there was some truth to those rumours and some people are now calling for those letters to be made public.

Even considering his open hatred for Rudd, I don't think Garrett would release the letters because of the damage they would do to the Party (not just Rudd) in the coming election - and Rudd would know that.

But if the price was right, (listening, Rupert?), some nameless ex-staffer might.
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Old 5th Jul 2013, 23:51
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Trolling other sites and found an answer to a question I'd been asking myself.

My question has been answered. The 101 people rescued 42 Kilometers off Java are proceeding to Christmas Island.
I don't get it - and I'm damned sure the Navy personnel involved in this shambles don't either.
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Old 6th Jul 2013, 01:16
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That stopping of exports was one of the biggest and costliest mistakes
by Labor, cow towing to the Lefty Greeny Animal rights wankers
that exist in society
That's pretty much it 500N. Over one weekend a handful of bureaucrats and incompetent, ill informed politicians shafted an entire industry well and truly up the arse because it wasn't playing well on the six PM news. It was one of the most disgraceful acts delivered by the Gillard government amongst many others.

The lively hood of many family's were ruined and as usual absolutely no one will be held to account for this travesty.
Next time a shipment of cattle are sent to Indonesia, hopefully that useless shithead of a (ex) minister Joe Ludwig will slide down the shute right along with them. And that probably, would be to kind to him.

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Old 6th Jul 2013, 04:01
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Thanks gassed budgie.

That's one of the problems in Australia, MINORITY groups get far too much say.
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Old 6th Jul 2013, 05:17
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That's pretty much it 500N. Over one weekend a handful of bureaucrats and incompetent, ill informed politicians shafted an entire industry well and truly up the arse because it wasn't playing well on the six PM news. It was one of the most disgraceful acts delivered by the Gillard government amongst many others.
Agreed. It was a totally uninformed, knee jerk reaction from a bunch of ignorant pollies who wouldn't know one end of a cow from the other, and wouldn't be told either.

500N, I think the other problem is that the journos get too much say. Labor MPs seem to attribute far too much importance to what the ABC is saying, forgetting that most of the country stopped watching the ABC when they got too old for Playschool and Bananas in Pyjamas.

This constant paranoia they seem to have about this week's polls (much as I love polls ) and self-important media commentary leads to MPs who make knee jerk decisions like the live export bans, the ceiling batt debacle and all too many other stuff ups.

Nor did having to crawl into bed with the Greens to form government help, either.
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Old 6th Jul 2013, 05:32
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Agree re the media / journos.

Have always thought that but was highlighted recently when a Labor pollie
was interviewed after the weekend when a Rudd challenge was imminent.

It was said to him that his phone would have been running hot over the
weekend, to which he replied, no, two phone calls from Labor colleagues
but quite a few more from journos calling to confirm this info in a journo story that was journo generated - in other words, as you say, the media creates the hype and if only pollies would learn to say "Stop, it's BS generated by you
lot chasing your tails trying to out scoup each other", then it will keep going.

And also agree, the pollies jump at shadows because of it.
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Old 6th Jul 2013, 07:17
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I see that one M Fraser has come out to support in support of SHY. Here we go, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
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Old 6th Jul 2013, 07:37
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I thought that Fraser was in the "Stupid Old Incontinent Buggers" party and not the Liberals.
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Old 6th Jul 2013, 08:09
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I think Fraser was in that Party back in 1975.

Never in the course of human endeavour has a politician wasted an ovewhelming victory at the polls the way Malcolm Fraser wasted his victory after the dismissal of the Whitlam government in 1975. He took power in extraordinary circumstances - and did absolutely nothing.

He was a waste of space then, and has become moreso since. Arrogant in the extreme with absolutely no excuse to be so. The Liberal Party's version of Kevin Rudd.
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Old 6th Jul 2013, 23:32
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A usual with Kevni, what he says in the small print is not what the headline says.

No Cookies | thetelegraph.com.au

ASYLUM seekers who fly to Indonesia and dump their passports and identity papers before boarding people-smuggling boats to Australia will have their applications "sent to the back of the queue".

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd will also unveil before the election a tougher test for refugee applications, and there are hopes of expanding the fly-home deportation policy for bogus asylum seekers that exists with Sri Lanka to new countries, including Indonesia.

But the get-tough approach will be balanced with an immediate order to free as many children as possible as the number of minors in detention climbs to 1800.

Under the new rules, which come into force immediately, applicants with identification papers will be dealt with first while those who destroy their papers or refuse to co-operate will be considered last.

Immigration Minister Tony Burke confirmed the changes would apply to 20,000 asylum seekers who would now be processed after their applications had been kept in limbo for months. The changes did not require new legislation.

“If you refuse to co-operate in providing documents you're right at the back of the queue. That starts now,’’ Mr Burke said.

But Labor's shift in asylum-seeker policy falls short of the Coalition's previously announced position that there would be a "strong presumption that illegal boat people who have destroyed their documents not be given refugee status". In an exclusive column for The Sunday Telegraph today, Foreign Minister Bob Carr warned Australia's immigration policy risked being outsourced to criminals.
And how bloody predictable. "Sent to the back of the queue" is NOT "will be refused asylum".

A grandiose promise that will come to nothing after (God, how I hope that will be 'if') this total charleton is re-elected.
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Old 6th Jul 2013, 23:38
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"And how bloody predictable. "Sent to the back of the queue" is NOT "will be refused asylum"."

You beat me to it.

Send to the back sounds like we will still have to provide housing, food etc
for them while they wait.

How about "We send you back to where you came from, you get NEW papers
and them apply again".

Can't anyone make a hard decision in this Gov't or do the do gooder,
lefty soft cocks really hold that much sway ?
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Old 6th Jul 2013, 23:42
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The comments following the Daily Telegraph article are worth reading. The first even vaguely sympathetic commment does not appear until post #30.
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Old 6th Jul 2013, 23:58
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I think the general population, and I mean general are sick to death
of AS and what we spend on them, both in freebies and tying up
our Def force when all this could be put to so much better use within
the country.

How come we don't seem to have heaps coming from the oppressed
in Aceh, either before the Tsunami or after ?


One more thing. How about we blow up Christmas Island
so it isn't a land mass anymore ?
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Old 7th Jul 2013, 00:58
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Give it back to the crabs...
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Old 7th Jul 2013, 01:14
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As far as migration zones are concerned, AUSTRALIA as well as Christmas island, has already been administratively excised ( from its own migration zone)
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Old 7th Jul 2013, 06:37
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It doesn't seem to matter. We still end up housing and caring for them
and generally bending over backwards at the same time handing out
copious amounts of money while getting shafted.

Sink a few boat before they get near and send the message out that
this is what awaits you. The Boats will stop coming.
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Old 7th Jul 2013, 06:50
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It really is simple:

Every one that lands without papers gets put on an aeroplane and flown to a UN refugee camp in somewhere like Somalia and for every one we put in we take two out.

Apart from the boats already at sea when the policy is announced there will be a sudden and complete halt to the system.
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Old 7th Jul 2013, 08:29
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Can anyone advise where the nearest UN refugee camp is ?

I like the 1 in and 2 out idea. Makes it more appealing to the host country too.

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