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War in Australia (any Oz Politics): the Original

Old 4th Jul 2013, 06:26
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his patronising way of talking to us
That's the thing about Rudd that raises the most ire in the Andu household. Mrs Andu doesn't usually comment on things political, but Rudd's 'in yer face' attitude of "I'm oh so obviously the smartest man in the room" really rankles her.

She says he talks down to people as if he's a school teacher in a classroom of five year olds. The sad fact is, many who fall for his "charm"(!) - (if the polls are to be believed, there seems to be a lot of them) - may well have the intellectual maturity of five year olds!

And they vote.

They say a week's a long time in politics. I wonder, could Rudd's move on the NSW Branch of the ALP bring him undone? He's virtually put the NSW Leader of the (State) Opposition, John Robertson, in an impossible position, where he'll have to resign if he's not willing to stay in a purely titular role after his political cojones have been ripped off.

The question is: how many others in NSW Labor is he threatening with this move? Blind Freddie can see that, like everything Rudd has done since 2007, this is 99% show and 1% go, but the question remains: is this one of his 'off the cuff, done on a drink coaster' wild fantasies, or has it been carefully planned and scripted, with the risks, plusses and minuses all allowed for and factored in?

If the former, (highly - very highly, IMHO - likely), it will be shelved and quickly forgotten with everyone keeping his/her job, if perhaps under a different title for some. However, if he's really making a move on the deeply entrenched denizens of Sussex Street, we could be in for a very interesting next few weeks, for these guys have been running Sydney since the days of the bloody Rum Rebellion, and they won't give up without a fight - and they fight mean.

Am I the only one wondering whether he shouldn't be concentrating on matters Federal rather than delving into the vipers' nest that is NSW Labor politics? It's not as though he doesn't have enough Federal issues to keep him occupied.
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Old 4th Jul 2013, 06:39
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...is this one of his 'off the cuff, done on a drink coaster' wild fantasies, or has it been carefully planned and scripted, with the risks, plusses and minuses all allowed for and factored in?
I reckion it's a square-up for his last deposing, and for backing Gillard so long. Rudd has no love for the unions any more than they do for him. To back him last week they must have been firmly convinced that there were no other options for Labor.

I also think Rudd's strongest skill lies in sniffing the political wind and figuring out what the average person wants to hear (Howard was also good at this for many years). The average person is sick to the back teeth of dodgy, corrupt, right wing unions. Even average rusted-on Labor supporters and non-corrupt unionists are sick of this, because it's given the whole cause a bad name, or at least a worse one than it had already . By giving the NSW unions a well deserved kicking, he can both exact personal vengence and look tough to the electorate.
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Old 4th Jul 2013, 06:43
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Worrals

Not just the union but also the factions controlled by them.

But you are spot on, the electorate, especially in NSW
will love seeing what he has done.
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Old 4th Jul 2013, 07:08
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The fact is that Rudd is a brilliant campaigner.

He proved it in 2007 and he's off to a flyer now.

He's in a beautiful position of being able to promise the world to the electorate without having to deliver on any of it.

And that is what he is doing.

Once he has to actually deliver, the facade crumbles very quickly - and that is what the libs should be pushing.

Praise his campaigning skills, remind voters of how impressed they were with him in 2007/8 (75% support wasn't it?) and then remind them what happened in the period up to 2010.

If they run a simple negative campaign against the "Peoples PM" it will backfire.

The criticism of past labor luminaries, targetting a bloke who's trying to reform their obviously dysfunctional party, can be easily brushed off.

Voters have to be reminded that Rudd does not stand apart from the rest of labor, which is where he is positioning himself - he is, and has always been, part of the problem.
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Old 4th Jul 2013, 09:16
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I suspect I'm not the only one who is quite concerned over what crazy 'solutions' Kevin Rudd is going to come up with with the Indonesians to 'solve' the asylum seeker problem.

My bet would be that

(a) it will cost us another fortune, and

(b) it will be all show and no go and the boats will continue to arrive unabated.
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Old 4th Jul 2013, 12:12
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With Alannah McTiernan putting up for the seat of Perth it looks like Labor will retain that one
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Old 4th Jul 2013, 12:24
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"Here in Australia because it seems no-one has been taught anything about the constitution, Rudd is able to indulge in his "US Presidential" type campaigning purely on who has the cheesiest grin. This challenging Abbott to a debate is so pathetic and transparent, Abbott has rightly said the place for debate is the Parliament,"

I know that of which you speak Clare!! And it's why you're not a politician......in a country that has more than it's fair share lowest common denominators, just look at what's on tv, who votes based solely on boat arrivals, who drive cars they cannot afford, and would rather watch the channel 9 morning crew on a junket in Canada than watch Parliament....

Constitutionally, maybe correct, politically, certainly wise not to engage Rudd, TA must be kept out of the spotlight as much as possible....even he knows he must play the "small target" game right now....

Challenging Abbott to a debate is far from pathetic...but certainly transparent, and it's politics after all, you wouldn't do it if you knew you wouldn't come out the other end looking the better for it would you FFS !!!! Pontificating about your adopted country's lack of constitutional awareness...Like a Muslim complaining about their adopted Country's lack of acceptance, is not a stance likely to stand you in good stead amongst your fellow new citizens....anymore than my standing in Pall Mall telling the Good British citizenship they have it wrong with the Royal family

But I digress....Maybe if TA believed in himself, had the courage of his convictions, then maybe, but doubtless the Libs very own faceless men are reminding him of his desire to do anything to be PM, so just pull your head in and say the correct place for a debate is Parliament

TA, like Rudd, is all about what's best for themselves, and not what's best for the country, TA's let on as much himself
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Old 4th Jul 2013, 13:04
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We could easily remove those types of Politicians Fleigs if someone had the intestinal fortitude to slash the wages & the benefits post political life for these clowns! When the Gravy train stops, they all get off.
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Old 4th Jul 2013, 13:07
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The legacy of a poorly thought out and rushed Labor policy

ACTING Prime Minister Anthony Albanese is sorry for the way the Rudd government handled its home insulation scheme, after a coroner found the rush in rolling it out played a role in the deaths of three tradesmen.
The Queensland tradesmen were electrocuted in 2009 and 2010 while installing roofing batts as part of the former Rudd government's controversial home insulation scheme, since discontinued.
Queensland coroner Michael Barnes on Thursday said the rushed economic stimulus program in response to the global financial crisis had put the economy ahead of human safety.
"Because a major focus of this program was the stimulation of the economy to counter the effects of the global financial crisis it needed to proceed far more quickly than that, but not at the cost of human life," he said...
Through his lawyer Mark Williams, Rueben's father Murray Barnes said he was happy with the coroner's recommendations, hoping they would prevent a similar tragedy.
"He feels like justice has been done to an extent, but no amount of justice can bring back his son," Mr Williams told reporters.
"Children should be burying their parents as opposed to the other way around."
Master Electricians Australia chief executive Malcolm Richards said it first raised safety concerns with the government during the scheme's initial rollout, and criticised the program for being implemented too fast without adequate safeguards.
The scheme also killed a NSW tradesman.
The three tradesmen - Rueben Barnes, 16, Matthew James Fuller, 25, and Mitchell Scott Sweeney, 22 - died installing roofing batts as part of the home insulation scheme.
Kevin Fuller, speaking to ABC television's 7.30 Report, criticised Mr Rudd for not apologising for his son Matthew's death to his face.
He also criticised the scheme for being rushed and poorly managed.
Matthew's mother Christine Fuller said she wanted to see Mr Rudd "disappear".

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Old 4th Jul 2013, 13:40
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For sure, the scheme was a hasty disgrace and the government deserve all the flak they get. However, let's not forget that these contractors were not working for the government or even the Labor Party. They worked for small business operators who cut corners and ignored regulations in the interest of making a buck.

Government electrical workers (those that exist post LNP) are subject to regulations and training requirements that largely prevent pointless deaths like these.

Every time some pollie jumps up and says they want to cut red tape and make it easier for small business, remember that red tape and effective Electrical Safety Acts help prevent young blokes who don't know any better being put into lethal situations like this. Needless to say, the pollies who make these suggestions tend to come from one side of the House, and it ain't the unpopular side.

These guys didn't need to die and that annoys me more than most things. However, the government didn't shove them into roofs without the proper training and equipment. Their employers did.
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Old 4th Jul 2013, 13:58
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... and tonight as we reflect on the findings of the scheme, the ex PM is having a pardie for her loyal staff at her old house tonight.

hope the loyal keepers count the silver before the ex members go home in the cars we pay for.......
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Old 4th Jul 2013, 13:59
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You can correct me, Worrals but I thought the way in which the program was rolled out encouraged inexperienced contractors to jump on the gravy train.

The government was given many warnings from both industry and unions about the dangers inherent in their process. They chose to ignore them.

It appears Mr Rudd is continuing to block the public release of the documents proving the warnings were made to him and Garrett.

We can discuss the difference between necessary regulation and bureaucratic/political dead weight another time.
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Old 4th Jul 2013, 14:00
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Smarmy, just too smarmy



No solution, no policy, just a superior attitude that he is the one who knows best.
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Old 4th Jul 2013, 14:07
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Originally Posted by Worrals in the wilds View Post
For sure, the scheme was a hasty disgrace and the government deserve all the flak they get. However, let's not forget that these contractors were not working for the government or even the Labor Party. They worked for small business operators who cut corners and ignored regulations in the interest of making a buck.

Government electrical workers (those that exist post LNP) are subject to regulations and training requirements that largely prevent pointless deaths like these.

... However, the government didn't shove them into roofs without the proper training and equipment. Their employers did.
There were warnings of the dangers; there were warnings that the policy was introduced too quickly; there were warnings that it was open to fraud. Then there were millions spent to audit afterwards due to the systems failings.

And just like the school halls program, the govt created an environment that was ripe for rorting.

Sure, the govt didn't send these young guys into the roof; but the local Labor govt in Qld sure as hell didn't have the checks and balances in place to control this wildfire of new insulation installation companies that sprung out and then disappeared after taking our taxes. From people I know in the industry you had many people whose only qualification was that they could drive a ute setting up shop, making $$ from this shocking policy, and sucking off into the funset!
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Old 4th Jul 2013, 14:16
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The money for bats and school halls was provided by the CofA but the programs were supposed to have been overseen by the States who have responsibility for OH&S but failed to properly supervise and enforce their own regs. As for the Halls, most of the rorts were perpetrated in the public sector. It's been well documented that the Catholic and Independent sector delivered value for money but the dills in the State Public Services let the Feds down with inadequate supervision, poor tendering practices etc.
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Old 4th Jul 2013, 14:30
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Politics of climate...

Well well well, Fairfax media panics and closes their global warming forum. Seems the climate hysterics were losing the plot and the global warming sceptics were winning the argument..

Did some posting there me-self and it looked to me that over half the posts to the global warming section of the Fairfax owned wx zone forum were just alarmist propaganda media reports so i started to point it out.

I had guessed that there were a particular line this so-called 'weather' forum were taking when there were forum thread titles such as "Coal fired Power - Dark and dirty side"

I put a polite questioning post reference the latest media release to the thread and had it deleted:
(post 8) #1199688 addressed to poster Yasified shak were moderated by moderator Seabreaze:
Edit reason: A question to Yasi removed. The various energy threads have been approved to run in this forum.


So posting non climate related anti coal activist media releases are 'approved' Interesting i thought. Being a persistent chap i asked the same question again though added a kicker...

My post 9, #1199702:
Hmmm... well then i wont address the question to any one in particular. I'm wondering what has coal dust got to do with climate? or is this just an anti Australian, anti coal thread ?

That post stayed, though then the abuse and name calling ramped up...

Certainly proved to me-self that the Fairfax owned weather forum has a definate agenda. More later..










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Old 4th Jul 2013, 14:47
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These guys didn't need to die and that annoys me more than most things. However, the government didn't shove them into roofs without the proper training and equipment. Their employers did.

Yep, 100% WITW, an unpalatable fact, free enterprise cowboys were allowed the opportunity to run wild...and you 'kind of' scratch your head and wonder what diff. would it have made if the coalition was in power, not much is my guess.....We are so terribly over regulated and over taxed, and for what real benefit??
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Old 4th Jul 2013, 20:59
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It is outrageous and arrogant for Rudd to declare unilaterally a debate with Abbott next Thursday at the Press Club then say that Abbott doesn't have the ticker to 'fess up' to voters on his 'real policies'.

Rudd won't name an election debate, won't articulate Labor policy. As part of his oh-so-clever mind game he twice associated Howard with Abbott in his taunting - once by suggesting that Abbott bring him along to hold his hand if needed and secondly as a supposed slip of the tongue, almost saying 'Howard' for 'Abbott'. Rudd's a lousy actor and it looked transparent.

'kid in the library with glasses' v boxing Blue - Why can't Rudd fight on policy and record rather than these undergraduate manipulations? Rudd reminds me more of the precocious brat who annoys Foghorn Leghorn, only not as successful.

Rudd acts as if government is an intellectual parlor game between him and Abbott. He seems confident that he will win by his superior intellect and his cunning feints and ploys.

If Rudd is a nerd and has the right to demand the boxing Blue compete in his arena of debating, then let's see Rudd in the ring with Abbott, bare-knuckle preferably.

That would be a parlor game I'd like to see.
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Old 4th Jul 2013, 21:14
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While on the topic of Rudd, I was watching yet another video image of his faux-earnest, round visage prattling on in his horrible mixture of impenetrable bureaucratese and mangled, grandpa on the porch folksiness and realised that since Rudd was a back-bencher uniquely appearing almost daily bothering Alexander Downer and Howard about the AWB Iraq business, he has rarely been off the nation's screens. One way or another, in power or not, he has haunted the visual media ever since. One of the circles of Hell must be endless video screens filled with the little nerd's face broadcasting his reedy, seriously folks voice for eternity. He's like a zombie, only scrubbed clean but just as unstoppable.
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Old 4th Jul 2013, 21:22
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And lastly, so I can eat my breakfast without it on my chest, what's with the pincer thing Rudd does with his forefinger and thumb all the time when he's speaking?

Gillard's splay-fingered, pelican landing gesture with both hands was bad enough, but the pincer thing is worse. It seems to be indicating great precision and discernment, neither of which have anything to do with our ghastly PM.

All I and I suspect more than half the country want to hear from Rudd is the election date - the sooner the better.
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