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Old 30th Jun 2013, 03:42
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"Kate has now reportedly left ADFA and is now at another defence base."
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Old 30th Jun 2013, 03:43
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2004 that Sun-Herald political reporters Kerry-Anne Walsh
Old news?

And, the Left or Labor peoples (let alone some of the Unions) do not descend into the gutter with their tactics? Hmm?; wonder what has been happening over the last few months or so?

Hyperlink to establish veracity?

The discussion is about the current recycled Prime Minister and his current abilities; Tony Abbott has more than established his current day persona.

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Old 30th Jun 2013, 04:01
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I'm afraid that's typical of a waning left-wing ideology - if you can't find anything useful and apposite then drag up something from almost 40 years ago.

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Old 30th Jun 2013, 09:06
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Can anyone confirm or scotch the rumour I have heard (and from someone who should now) that the whole tape shows that the female concerned addresses the camera and the audience early in the proceedings and clearly shows that she's aware she's on camera?
She was totally aware of the camera, whilst being boffed, gesticulating towards it that the person watching was next, she was no stranger to gang bangs I was told. In the words of a very senior ADF officer, "she slipped through the net", had a record of indiscipline and drunkenness and would have been very unlikely to complete the course. I believe she was sent home but still being paid, three years was the period I heard, then she will be let go, can't confirm that part though.

The MSM repeatedly say she was filmed without her knowledge, this, I was told, is nonsense, it was said she was very willing but got upset when hauled in to answer for her behaviour after it became public.

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Old 30th Jun 2013, 11:10
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gesticulating towards it that the person watching was next
The only difference in what I was told was that she was telling the watchers plural that they were next.

We all know that the damned system is so screwed that she will claim (if she hasn't already) - and get - a massive compensation payout just to make her go away.

Our taxes at work - while DVA makes it as hard as possible for veterans with genuine claims.
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Old 30th Jun 2013, 11:36
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"In the words of a very senior ADF officer, "she slipped through the net", had a record of indiscipline and drunkenness and would have been very unlikely to complete the course."

Not sure what has changed but
1. WTF was her Company, Platoon Commander and Platoon Sgt doing ?
2. Their are enough Def rules and regulations under DFDA (unless it has changed), Administrative Action you can hang someone on, without resorting to being vindictive well before it got to this stage.
3. And as an Officer cadet, the rules / bar is normally set higher,
unless that has also changed.
4. Or you just fail them on military matters !
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Old 30th Jun 2013, 12:02
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Not sure what has changed but
1. WTF was her Company, Platoon Commander and
Platoon Sgt doing ?
2. Their are enough Def rules and regulations under DFDA
(unless it has changed), Administrative Action you can hang someone on, without
resorting to being vindictive well before it got to this stage.
3. And as an
Officer cadet, the rules / bar is normally set higher,
unless that has also
changed.
4. Or you just fail them on military matters !
As I understand it she had been given chance after chance but nothing changed, no vindictiveness that I can see, in earlier times the chop would have come much sooner, but she was a women! Well, that is my take on it.
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Old 30th Jun 2013, 12:04
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And in breaking news, the week is off to another flying start. 2 minutes ago, another 58 shoppers were picked up of good old Christmas by HMAS Taxi.

How is the plans coming together for this week Kev?
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Old 30th Jun 2013, 12:05
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h.i.d., pretty weak response on your part to play the man/men rather than address the point they were both making. (Been taking lessons from those currently occupying the government benches in Canberra?)

I read on some other site that 'Kate' had been AWL three times in the short time she'd been at ADFA. It's a long time since I was in the military, but you can forget about the porn video - one, let alone three AWL charges in what amounts to the probationary period immediately after induction, in my day, would have involved pretty well certain dismissal.

If what is being said in military circles about 'Kate', the young lady has played - and continues to play - the System very, very cleverly.
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Old 30th Jun 2013, 12:22
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And probably all because someone didn't pull her up early on
and sort the issues out them.

3 AWL's, Jesus, I thought that alone would have been enough to
discharge someone without even taking into account the drinking.

And she is supposed to be a leader of men in the ADF ?????
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Old 30th Jun 2013, 12:32
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Hi 7x7,
not a weak response, just dismay and disbelief that you are talking about the subject in a open forum, don't think it should of been my post removed
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Old 30th Jun 2013, 12:59
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Rudd certainly seems to be on a roll with the help of the media !

The polls in the next 2 - 8 weeks will be interesting,
especially once the euphoria has died down.

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Old 30th Jun 2013, 13:33
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The news of the `reinstatement` of Krudd has finally made the English Language Newspaper here in Japan and I must say it was an interesting change to read an article on Aussie politics that was what, to me at least, that reporting of news was meant to be.

That is; the article, which was of considerable length, merely stated the facts of Julia`s removal and Rudd`s reappointment as PM. No opinions of the writer, no slant, bias or anything else other than the facts!

A refreshing change. I once remember meeting an Aussie Journo and speaking to her about things in general and she made a statement which showed her political bias all too obviously. I countered with the statement that I had read all too many articles written by various Aussie Journos over the years which included the statements along the lines of, when referring to a certain ex Politician, which said......"the racist views of ******* ******..." and said to the Journo that whilst this particular Politician may have
held views that could have be construed to be racist by some that it is not given to the likes of people like you to tell us that! Your job is to merely tell us the facts as to what is happening!

I don`t think that my comment went down very well with the Journo in question.
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Old 30th Jun 2013, 18:32
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Article in the British Sunday Telegraph saying Ms. Gillard was dumped because she was a woman and you nasty Australian men didn't give her a fair go.No mention of incompetence or unpopular decisions etc.
Article was written by a woman, not sure if she was an Aussie or a Brit.
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Old 30th Jun 2013, 18:46
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Fair go. FMD, she was given more than a fair go.

Sounds like some lefty lamenting the loss of a left icon !
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Old 30th Jun 2013, 18:59
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Wasn't/ isn't there also a no fraternisation rule at ADFA?
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Old 30th Jun 2013, 19:05
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I thought so but never went there so can't say for sure.
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Old 30th Jun 2013, 21:06
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To get back to our troubled national government for a moment...

Henry Ergas' critical insights are usually on the mark.

From the Australian this week:

THE trouble with Kevin is that he's unfit to govern. On that his former colleagues are right. And when no less an authority than Stephen Conroy thinks you're certifiable, the home for the bewildered surely beckons.

Yet he's back. Why is clear enough. Virtually everywhere, democratic politics is more competitive than it has ever been. With social class and ideology weakening as determinants of voting patterns, fewer and fewer voters are rusted on to particular parties. The mistakes parties make are therefore punished more quickly and harshly, with electoral wipe-outs becoming common in the advanced democracies.

But it was not only the threat of decimation that unnerved federal Labor: it was the prospect of having to rebuild, for the first time in living memory, without control over any major state or a strong union movement to cushion the fall.

Yes, changing leader might not prevent Labor losing the election. It would, however, avoid Coalition control of the Senate, giving an obstructionist opposition a chance to condemn an Abbott government to a short, unhappy life.

Dumping Julia Gillard was therefore rational. But the difficulty is that Rudd has form. This is the man who converted a stunning victory in 2007 into virtual defeat three years later. Incapable of setting priorities, reckless when caution was called for and paralysed when decisiveness was required, his administration was a lesson in disaster.

Instead of a consistent approach to asylum-seekers, he flip-flopped between compassion and harshness. Instead of pursuing his emissions trading scheme, he panicked, shifting to a poorly judged blitz at hospital funding. Instead of tax reform, he sat on the Henry report and then tried to ram through its most questionable recommendation.

And instead of prudent economic management, he presided over an unprecedented increase in spending for no measureable improvement in outcomes, while unleashing a stimulus package that was disproportionate, inflexible and riddled with poor quality programs.

All that is unsurprising. For unlike successful prime ministers, Rudd lacks any coherent view of the world. Cast in terms of excruciating difficulty, his replies to questions wrap the vacuous in the impenetrable. As for his essays, which have never risen above irritable mental scratchings masquerading as insights, they make reading the logically structured telephone directory a relief.

That is not to suggest ideas are the grappling hooks of politics; but without a disciplined intellectual framework, no prime minister can steer through the whirlwind of events. It was not because Rudd disdained proper process that his policies made no sense; he disdained proper process because he invariably championed policies any sensible process would rule out.

But these seem mere symptoms of Rudd's underlying persona, whatever that may be. Gillard never succeeded in achieving sincerity, much less authenticity, in her presentation of self; but with Rudd, it has always been uncertain whether there really is a self there.

Rather, lurching between incomprehensible jargon and theatrical ockerisms, he is reminiscent of Nietzsche's description of a man who is just a succession of masks, doomed to an "irreconcilable antithesis between an interior which corresponds to no exterior and an exterior to which no interior corresponds".

And Nietzschean too is his "will to power" with its passion for vengeance and hunger for crises, as only "dancing beside abysses" allows the Ubermensch to transcend the "mechanistic stupidity" of everyday necessity.

Little wonder then that, pressed by Tony Abbott to apologise for the deaths caused by the pink batts program, he refused: as Dostoevsky's Raskolnikov said, it is beneath the Napoleons of this world to admit regret for their deeds. The furthest they can go is to express collective remorse for the sins of the fathers, thereby highlighting their own moral superiority.

And little wonder too that Rudd shows no sign of having changed. On the contrary, in merely four days, he has been as erratic as ever: one moment he recognises that the end of the resources boom makes competitiveness paramount; the next, he imposes punitive restrictions on 457 visas. Back also is the uncontrollable exaggeration, claiming a policy he once advocated would trigger war with our largest neighbour. And so is the utter disregard for the facts, justifying the National Broadband Network on the basis that "a bunch of Chinese students in Brissy said to me 'what is it about your local broadband speeds Kevin?' ", despite Brisbane's broadband speeds being multiples of those in China.

Yet whatever honeymoon Rudd enjoys in the polls cannot disguise the circumstances he faces. The constraints are obvious: a dangerously volatile world economy; slowing domestic growth; a precarious fiscal position; and promissory notes issued to a slew of programs funded to barely half their costs.

The longer he postpones an election, the more those constraints will close in on him. And to navigate them, he will have to swim through waters he has poisoned. The predators he will meet there are hardly insubstantial; rather, they include his party's most senior members. True, his proven reputation for payback may slow their pace; sooner or later, however, they will do to him what he did to them.

But in Rudd's internal visions, that is not what lies ahead. Instead, he sees himself as the reincarnation of Andrew Fisher, the great Labor prime minister who led three governments (1908-09, 1910-1913, 1914-15) and whose gold pen he owns. His triumph over Gillard will only strengthen his conviction that he is ordained to replicate Fisher's glory.

But the unassuming Fisher, meticulous about fact and process, is as removed from Rudd as the Australia of a century ago is from today's. Nor can any amount of messianic delusion bridge that gap. Always the I of the storm, the future of the Nambour Overman promises to be no less troubled than his past.
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Old 30th Jun 2013, 23:42
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Bill Shorten has become the anointed one !

Kept his place, given more responsibility
and I reckon is on track in a few years to
take over.

Or could we see another Hawke / Keating sceanrio
where the occupier won't move Kev has the ego
that could just bring that type of situation on !
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