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Old 9th Dec 2011, 01:17
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[email protected]*^%#* Hi Vis Vests

Can anyone direct me to a study that proves conclusively that the wearing of high visibility vests enhances safety and / or cuts accident rates?
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Old 9th Dec 2011, 02:21
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I had the surreal experience a few years ago of being assailed on the apron at Lagos by a local jobsworth insisting I should wear a high-viz vest. (You have to have visited the apron at Lagos to truly understand how surreal that was.)
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Old 9th Dec 2011, 03:30
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There are obvious jobs that Hi vis vests would be a benefit. That said most companys just make it mandatory to satisfy health and safety noobs. Hence there's a whole plethora of jobs where people have to wear them and the decreased probability of an accident is virtually zero.
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Old 9th Dec 2011, 03:58
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Thanks for your reply RH - BUT WHERE'S THE PROOF that HVV would "be a benefit" and "wearing them decreases the probability of an accident to virtually zero"
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Old 9th Dec 2011, 05:05
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Andu,
That would have been so the crazies had an Oyibo to aim at.....
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Old 9th Dec 2011, 05:12
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I also like the idea that everyone has to wear suitable noise suppression devices to protect your hearing and then the vehicles on the apron are required to have a reversing beeper.......which of course you can't hear.

I think most of these things are required for insurance purposes but the next thing will be for crew to be required to wear a hard hat and steel capped boots as well...

I think that anything that makes someone more visible is a good thing though and it's not that much of an inconvenience.With more emphasis with on time departure and vehicles in close proximity racing around it's not a bad idea.
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Old 9th Dec 2011, 05:14
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It's when you see people wearing them indoors, in offices, that you begin to wonder,,,,,,
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Old 9th Dec 2011, 05:19
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It's when you see people wearing them indoors, in offices, that you begin to wonder,,,,,,
Exactly,I've even seen guys wearing them in the pub having a beer on the way home
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Old 9th Dec 2011, 05:32
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A dead giveaway that you're dealing with a member of the Chairbourne Division is a brand-new looking, shiny safety vest with no scuffs or dirt on it and its logo intact; a sartorial statement that screams 'I'm chained to a computer half the day and at meetings for the other half. I'm only visiting the real world today because my PA is trying to kill me by scheduling fake site visits in the hope I'll get squashed'.
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Old 9th Dec 2011, 05:36
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A mate of mine lost his flight engineer - killed by a catering truck during his walkaround. I suspect the FE would have worn a Hi Viz jacket if he'd known what was coming his way.
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Old 9th Dec 2011, 05:45
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The wearing of an HVV by most people appears directly linked to the brain and mouth.

As the HVV goes on, brain function is reduced by 99% and mouth function is increased similarly.

I appreciate that there are times and places where HVVs are necessary and useful, but every second tosspot in some pathetic McJob seems to want to bolster his ego by wearing one.
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Old 9th Dec 2011, 05:47
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About a year ago I had an aerobatic aircraft hangared at a small field in South Africa. There was a general rule that airside people had to wear high viz vests, except for pilots and passengers.

So one afternoon I turned up for a flight, wearing my flight overalls, and was denied access to airside by security. They insisted that I had to either wear a vest, or prove I was a pilot. Well, I was wearing my flight overalls, carrying my parachute and headset, but to keep them happy I showed them my licence. Well, that wasn't good enough! According to security, all pilots had to wear black pants, white shirts (I fly a radial engined aircraft!), with epaulettes and wings. According to the head of security, this was on the written instructions of the airport manager, and was a new measure introduced to combat terrorism. They refused to recognise my licence, said that anyone with a printer and scanner could make a licence document. Apparently terrrorists can't obtain black pants, white shirt, epaulettes and wings.

After about 10 minutes of arguing with security, I walked out the small airport building, walked in through the unguarded open gate next to the building and went to my hangar.
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Old 9th Dec 2011, 06:03
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An ex colleauge of mine - aircraft engineer - popped into the local supermarket (T***o) on the way home from a nightshift, wearing his own (wtf!?) hi-viz jacket. He was accosted by the manager from behind, berating him for the amount of trolleys littering the car park! It was quickly followed by my mate telling him to 'Do one' and the manager apologising profusely. We still gave him hell though, for looking like he was only fit to push trolleys, and for buying his own jacket!
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Old 9th Dec 2011, 06:31
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I kept mine when I retired - useful on the motor bike

(motorists slow down when I approach from behind, 'cos they can't see the type of, small, bike and think I'm a cop, that gives me chance to pass them. Good fun. )
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Old 9th Dec 2011, 06:46
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I quite like them.

Not convinced they'd protect against 'accidents', though; I'll stick to condoms.

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Old 9th Dec 2011, 07:06
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Interesting thread. I'm pretty good at googling and I can find no published statistics to indicate the benefit of the use of these, even in publications by bodies such as the BSIF who, one would think, would have a vested interested in using any statistics to strengthen their point. The RIDDOR statistics for last year show 27 incidents of workers hit by moving vehicles. I can't easily find how to delve further into these to discover if the use of hi-vis was recorded as part of the reporting data.

Bikers seem to think that they are going to be forced to wear hi-vis, but none of their forums seem to have any evidence other than anecdotal, most of them referring to the "ExSp33db1rd" effect as noted above.

I have worn one when on a motor bike in recent years and when on a building site or roadside, and also at the local scrap yard (sorry - recycling centre) that insists on them now, as it seems reasonable to do so and saves arguments with H&S numpties but, as I suspect the OP feels, I have been riding motor bikes, working on building sites etc. for 50 years previously without one and I'm still here.

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Old 9th Dec 2011, 07:19
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Old 9th Dec 2011, 07:22
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These "road diggers yellow jackets" have become the uniform for worker drones in the collective.

To me there is nothing more hideous that watching a smart uniformed airline crew walking out to the a/c wearing these b****y yellow things!

Hi Viz Vests were introduced originally for track workers on the railways. When the driver saw them a mile or so up the track he would toot his horn as a warning so they would stand clear.

How many a/c on the ramp are taxiing at line speeds of 50 mph and are equipped with horns to warn errant crew members on the ramp?

Then don't get me going on general aviation airfields that are also insisting on these awful things being worn. OK I can just about see a reason for them to be worn at a busy airport ramp such as LHR etc with all sorts of servicing vehicles all over the place but a grass airfield where the largest a/c around is a Seneca?

Also there are hazards to wearing high viz vests - many are not flameproof but you see people wearing them in light a/c, some are not anti static - possible fire risk near fuel pumps, bowsers etc and I have witnessed people hand swinging a/c with them not attached properly so risk of getting wrapped around a propellor.

They even have "jobsworth" at airports now checking that you are wearing them correctly!

As almost everybody seems to be wearing them at events these days - who is "in charge" when you want to report something that has gone wrong?
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Old 9th Dec 2011, 07:35
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If its dark, I wear mine on for the walk across the staff car park. Its the most dangerous part of a day's flying: too many hostie/wimmin drivers about.
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Old 9th Dec 2011, 07:42
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There are two types of vest. One with single reflective stripes for ordinary roads and the other with doubles stripes for high speed roads such as motorways. When was the last time you saw the single stripe version being used anywhere?
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