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Old 23rd Sep 2012, 16:56
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Schumacher suggested in interview that his brakes weren't working properly and they would find out what was wrong.
Bet they won't say what happened, that the old duffer was asleep and braked far too late.


Oh, Button and Vettel were summoned to the stewards over their little incident. Some might take the view that Vettel brake-tested Button, some might not.


Edit:- Schumacher has been handed a 10-place grid penalty for the next race.

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Old 23rd Sep 2012, 17:34
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Probably not much wrong with bis brakes then.....
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Old 23rd Sep 2012, 20:10
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No action over the Vettel/Button incident, Bruno Senna was judged to have used the racing line in the Massa incident so no action taken, Webber gets 20 second penalty and loses 10th for his pass on Kobyashi due to him gaining an advantage by being off the track.
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Old 23rd Sep 2012, 23:38
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Re the Shumi incident it appeared to me as though it was more that he got his left side into the marbles than it was late braking. Either way this latest incident has the appearance of being yet another post return from retirement instance of pushing a little harder than he ought to. Of course mechanical factors could be at play too, but in my memory things like this rarely happened to the Shumi of old. No idea whether this has anything to do with age related dulled reactions, but there is little question that he's had more than his share of incidents since his return to F1. Too bad as far as I'm concerned because he's been a favorite of mine since his rookie year. He may still have plenty to offer as a driver, but I suspect his real future potential is in some team development and leadership role. I hope he makes the right/best decisions concerning his future role(s) in F1.

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but in my memory things like this rarely happened to the Shumi of old



A lot of his accidents didn't seem to involve anyone else!

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Old 24th Sep 2012, 08:25
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Quite a few drivers seemed to be using a bit more than the race track, Alonso in particular seemed to have f wheels over the line on one corner more often than not (but then, I don't like Fiats).

Maybe more real street circuits with proper concrete barriers would stamp this out? What price a London GP?
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Old 24th Sep 2012, 09:36
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Westhawk. Michael rarely had accidents. If MY memory serves me correctly, most of his 'accidents' with other people were deliberate. Ask Damon Hill and Jacques Villeneuve!.
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Old 24th Sep 2012, 09:46
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Westhawk. Michael rarely had accidents. If MY memory serves me correctly, most of his 'accidents' with other people were deliberate. Ask Damon Hill and Jacques Villeneuve!.
Not to mention his almost-prang with Barrichello a few seasons ago. The sooner he hangs up his boots, the safer it will be for all of them.
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Old 24th Sep 2012, 11:18
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IIRC Damon Hill expected a kamikazi attack and the suspension was beefed up in anticipation.
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Old 24th Sep 2012, 11:22
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Maybe when the floor lifts it is harder to brake?
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Old 24th Sep 2012, 12:05
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I'm not a huge Schuey fan, however..

1. His record speaks for itself - 7 Time world champion, so 1994 was a bit dubious, but otherwise..?? He's no saint, but he is / was one hell of a racing driver. I would suggest anyone who says otherwise or belittles his achievements is being churlish.

2. IIRC Hill spent much of 1995 driving into Schumacher.

However, his time has gone. Yes maybe he could still compete in a front row car, but he's not in one, nor is he likely to be either, best if he hangs up his gloves and makes way for a younger driver.

As for Singapore GP, the man I felt most sorry for was the poor bugger who had to tell Hamilton that his gearbox was shot..
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Old 24th Sep 2012, 12:09
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It seems strange that the mighty Brawn GP (was Honda) is now lurking way below its previous performance.
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G-CPTN - Maybe as one of only 3 true "works" teams in 2014, they are focussing development on the new V6 powered drivetrain and car design??

For men such as Hamilton, Raikkonnen and Alonso, maybe Merc, Lotus and Ferrari are bloody good options for the medium term? After all 2013 has every chance of being the same lottery as 2012 when it comes to race results.
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Old 24th Sep 2012, 12:20
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Schumi out, DiResta in?
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Old 24th Sep 2012, 12:30
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Schumi out, DiResta in?
Why not.. I have heard worse ideas..
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Old 24th Sep 2012, 16:12
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It seems strange that the mighty Brawn GP (was Honda) is now lurking way below its previous performance.
Maybe that would be because the last Honda was so bad they effectively wrote off the whole season and started the design of the following year's car, which turned into the Brawn GP marque, considerably earlier than others. That obviously gave them an advantage over other teams who were still developing their current cars as well as trying to plan for the following year, and the clever interpretation of the rules regarding the "double diffuser", meant everyone was playing catch up from the start of the season.

But was it so "mighty" after all? Let's face it, Button's lead came simply from winning 6 out of the first 7 races and that made him almost invulnerable as others fought for the scraps. But after Turkey, he only got 2 podiums because others did catch up and Vettel finished only 11 points behind despite that rather large 32 point lead Button had over Vettel after Turkey.....

Then, of course, rules were changed and that wiped out the clever tricks like the double diffuser, as well as the small matter of not having the luxury of throwing all the resources into the new car like "Brawnda" did in 2008 so I would say that they have actually assumed what is more of their "true" position in the grand scheme of F1.
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Old 24th Sep 2012, 17:24
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My money is on DiResta going to Ferrari. Massa shown signs of brilliance at the weekend but was too far off the pace. As Alex Fergusson would say "yer coat is on a shaky peg". Compared with Massa, DiResta would be on a lower salary, would not be in the same league as Alonso but would put reasonable pressure on him, perhaps outqualifying or finishing higher in the absence of team orders.

Whoever is at Mercedes next year will be there for 2014 when they are expected to dominate for the reasons Mullah Akbar has stated. Hamilton would be very wise to make the move.
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Old 24th Sep 2012, 18:39
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MS accident was a very interesting demonstration of a principle that Mrs VJ just can't grasp, that once the wheel locks the coefficient of friction goes right down. While MS brakes were locked and he was sliding with almost no grip at all the car in front was braking normally and slowing down rapidly.

Not commenting an MS driving, just on the principle, though I was a little surprised at the sheer force of the collision.

If one of the justifications for F1 is that it develops technology for the real world then surely anti lock brakes and eventually KERS should be included and possible DRS abandoned. Maybe that justification no longer applies. (Personally I thought it was just gaffleflab anyway.)
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Old 24th Sep 2012, 18:50
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Too much regulation. Whatever happened to Formula Libre? Jack Sears thundering round in that enormous Galaxie marmalising the Jaguars.

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Old 24th Sep 2012, 20:02
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Those were the days Mike. Bench seats in those beasties and only a lap strap to hold you in. Started me down a slippery slope watching them back in the day.
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