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Old 5th Sep 2021, 09:53
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Originally Posted by PDR1 View Post
These days (since Jules Bianchi) it's no longer acceptable to race with abandoned cars on the side of the track so every accident has to be cleared away before the race can restart.

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Jules Bianchi would likely be alive today had they not brought out a piece of heavy equipment to remove a car that was against the barrier on the far side of a gravel trap. The cars are tested for crashworthiness and a driver is expected to survive crashing into another car or the barriers. They are not however tested for crashworthiness against every mobile crane and random pieces of equipment used around the world to remove dead cars from places where they are unlikely to be hit by another car.

And while I'm ranting.......Fire Extinguishers, when is F1 going to get real about fire fighting capability? Yesterday's efforts with a preventative squirt by Vettel showed how piss poor the fire fighting abilities are at F1 venues.
I recall back in the days of racing at Adelaide International Raceway every race start was accompanied by a truck loaded with fire extinguishers and trained crew persons followed the field for most of the first lap. F1 already has the medical car follow the field does it not? Why not a similar performance car with a significant quantity of fire extinguishing capability following the field for the first lap or at least part of it. I'm sure none of us have forgotten Romain Grosjean's crash, how different might this have been if a fire car could have arrived on scene in less than a minute and hit that fire with a good dose of Bromochlorodifluoromethane instead of part time track marshalls pissing on it with hand held extinguishers. I'm sure Grosjean would have appreciated it.

The vehicle I'm referring to was commissioned by an organization known as Women For Wheels and has been providing a service to motor sports for many years.

https://www.wfwmotorsport.com
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Old 5th Sep 2021, 11:21
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I see the circuit is owned by Prince Bernhard. Nice toy to have! Loving that final banked curve.

(At least the track is a little longer than the Aida Circuit, where Ayrton Senna took part in his penultimate race.)
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Old 5th Sep 2021, 12:41
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Lets hope Rosberg never gets let loose on a gridwalk again...
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Old 5th Sep 2021, 13:57
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Why didn’t Mercedes put Lewis on hards?

Later… or maybe not.

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Old 5th Sep 2021, 15:13
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A lot of understandable excitement in the stands but what a boring race. Zaandvoort didn't deliver as a spectacle.
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Old 5th Sep 2021, 18:08
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Originally Posted by clareprop View Post
A lot of understandable excitement in the stands but what a boring race. Zaandvoort didn't deliver as a spectacle.
True… it’s not the tracks fault so much as the cars. They’re too long, wide and aero.
Hopefully next year might mean closer following through the corners and more overtaking chances, but the cars are so wide on the narrow track it’s quite hard.


Lols at Bottas… pretty clear what he thinks of Mercedes now, it’s pretty much demonstrated he feels he has nothing to lose anymore so why help the team when they treat him the way they have done.
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Old 5th Sep 2021, 18:37
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Yes, totally agree with Bottas and it’s a total lot of poo not announcing what’s happening, it just makes it uncomfortable for the drivers having to answer a load of press questions, just get it over with.

Sadly although Bottas is the ideal partner for Hamilton as in covering him and working with him, that’s not what you need to a certain extent, you need a proactive driver who gives his team mate a run for his money.

The other thing needed is fresh young blood in the team who will be competitive and a future generation, because like it or not, the current Merc crop are in their twilight years of racing.

Then the likes of Hamilton can when he retires go into TV, judging by his dress sense he will make a good test card.
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Old 5th Sep 2021, 19:20
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Today sums up why the number 2 car is so crucial… whilst Max retakes the championship lead, Mercedes are pulling away in the constructors.

But so far this season Bottas has not been bringing enough points in for the team. It’s as simple as that really.


They‘ve practically announced it already, Toto even said in response to a question about Albon and Merc “blocking him” from joining Williams… in his response Toto said about “the spaces at Williams and Alfa Romeo”, accidentally (or not) confirming that George is vacating that seat to Mercedes.
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Old 5th Sep 2021, 21:41
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
Then the likes of Hamilton can when he retires go into TV, judging by his dress sense he will make a good test card.
He wore orange to the circuit in Holland - I'd suggest he was just paying a complement to his hosts...

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Old 5th Sep 2021, 22:02
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It would be nice to have more passing, but I REALLY enjoyed the fact that there were no questions about track limits as the track policed itself; if you went off the track you paid a price. No safety cars, no red flags, this felt like a real race. Now if they would just get rid of that abomination of a track in France....... and shrink the cars a bit......

I watched the 2005 San Marino GP on F1TV the other day and it was impressive to see how responsive the cars were. They just looked bloody quick and the camera work was way better than today's as the camera was not constantly filling the screen with a single car but rather stood back a bit, kept still, and let the real speed of these machines show. The first time I attended a GP I was stunned to see the speed around corners; it seemed physics defying. Unfortunately modern zoom camera work does not transmit that speed to the viewer.
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Old 6th Sep 2021, 11:56
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They‘ve practically announced it already
I should think they've practically forgotten it as well. In the ruthless world of F1 where next years car is well developed as the current season starts, the championship battles to come between LeClerc, Verstappen, Russell and Norris (and their respective constructors) in two or three years time will be uppermost on the long-term planners minds.
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Old 6th Sep 2021, 12:45
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Bottas to Alfa Romeo...multi year contract..

That was probably the worst kept secret since Watergate!

Just waiting for the ink to dry on George Russell's signature...best of luck George!
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Old 6th Sep 2021, 12:49
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Now if they would just get rid of that abomination of a track in France......

I didnt know they still raced at Magny-Cours!
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Old 6th Sep 2021, 18:05
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Originally Posted by clareprop View Post
A lot of understandable excitement in the stands but what a boring race. Zaandvoort didn't deliver as a spectacle.
Actually I kind of disagree but I have to admit I am biased having driven there myself (the “old” track) and I love it. There was actually more overtaking then I expected in dry conditions but it was, except Max on Bottas, all in the mid and backfield. The regular broadcast was very poor for not showing it but instead choosing close ups of Lewis’ tires in slowmo.

the package RB/Max were just too quick all weekend but they were lucky that there wasn’t a red flag equalizer.

imho we need more old school track but can you imagine a wet race here. That could lead to total chaos!

PDR, I still believe that modern F1 cars should not have the size of Ford Transits. Hopefully the regulations for next year are making closer racing possible.
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Old 6th Sep 2021, 18:16
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Am I right in saying that the next GP at Monza the grid is decided with a sprint race? Well that went well last time.....up till the first corner
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Old 6th Sep 2021, 18:20
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Am I right in saying that the next GP at Monza the grid is decided with a sprint race?
Yes correct
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Old 7th Sep 2021, 09:53
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Mercedes confirm Russell will drive alongside Lewis next season but no detail on how long his contract is.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...Lm9s54e4T.html

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Old 7th Sep 2021, 14:54
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He is destined to be a replacement for Lewis isn't he, should he perform. Lewis 's contract runs to 2023 so it is safe to assume at least that. Lucky lad.
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Old 7th Sep 2021, 16:25
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I thought Zandvoort looked a decent track but at current speeds needs to be longer than it is.

The messages to Bottas were excruciating and I suspect that secret;y he cannot wait to be gone from Mercedes and be allowed to be his own man. I hope that Russell will be allowed to race but presumably he will be under team orders to be lapdog to Hamilton to keep Wolff and the Board at Mercedes happy.
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Old 7th Sep 2021, 21:02
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I hope that Russell will be allowed to race but presumably he will be under team orders to be lapdog to Hamilton to keep Wolff and the Board at Mercedes happy.
Unless of course, he outqualifies Hamilton and manages to get a good start and stay ahead during the race.
If that was to happen, I would be very surprised if he's given team orders to let Hamilton past.
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