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Old 20th Jul 2020, 08:18
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Yawn, Hamilton pisses off into the distance and only has to worry about backmarkers when he laps them, most if not all of whom virtually stop when he comes up behind them. Then all I read this morning are his complaints about people not supporting his campaigning stance to his satisfaction. Oh for a James Hunt on SKY who would tell it like it is - never thought I would say that !

To be fair to Mercedes and their drivers we have seen utter dominance before from teams but at least in years gone by the rate of mechanical failure was such that results would be more interesting than they are at the moment.

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Old 20th Jul 2020, 08:26
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I think that Lewis has done more harm to himself and his cause by his attitude. I'll applaud now every time he is beaten, which isn't often though.
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Old 20th Jul 2020, 14:44
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While I have the utmost respect for Lewis as a driver, I really wish he'd walk away from BLM. I'm not interested in a sportsmans' views on anything save the sport for which he is famous. Same goes for ac-tors, TV slebs et al.
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Old 20th Jul 2020, 15:17
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Originally Posted by sidevalve View Post
While I have the utmost respect for Lewis as a driver, I really wish he'd walk away from BLM. I'm not interested in a sportsmans' views on anything save the sport for which he is famous. Same goes for ac-tors, TV slebs et al.
Why? Is his view not worth anything? He's got as much right to comment as anybody else.
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Old 20th Jul 2020, 15:46
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Originally Posted by PDR1 View Post
Ferrari seem to be returning to their early 1990s role as mid-field no-hopers, which is a shame. They need to do *something* because their owners aren't noted for tolerating failure.
Isn't that at least part of the problem, though? The culture is short term - they prioritise "quick fixes" over long term sustainable development?

As for Merc, while they undoubtedly have the best car, isn't their dominance flattered by the performance of one man? Take Lewis out of the equation and they'd have a fight on their hands. Once or twice in the last couple of seasons the WDC if not the constructors may have gone elsewhere without Lewis at the wheel. One day he'll retire, other teams may poach Merc staff, and without the dream team they may decline. Hasn't there even been rumours about Mercedes pulling out of F1? Everyone's dominance comes to an end eventually.
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Old 20th Jul 2020, 17:12
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I agree with Kev, re: the Ferrari team culture. They've also always come across, to me in any case, as a very tense group. I know this is probably as a result of their inability to mount a real challenge, but it can't help. Binotto is an improvement, but it just doesn't seem like a particularly pleasant environment. All just how I perceive them of course.
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Old 21st Jul 2020, 06:47
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To be fair to LH, even he finds it boring now.
He trots out his “thanks to factory” and then lights up as he moves on to his real passion.
His BLM campaign.

The highlights have been very good, they take out lap27, so they can legally call them highlights.

You see LH through the first corner, and they switch back to him taking the chequered flag,
the rest is spent watching the racing for the top ten, which is sometimes frantic and usually excellent.


I used to know LH, he’s an unusual type of chap, he doesn’t really have any friends now, he still can’t work out why. The stories I could tell. Likes smashing stuff up when he doesn’t get his own way, or if he perceives he’s being insulted, when he isn’t. His own stuff at least.
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Old 21st Jul 2020, 22:44
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Originally Posted by kghjfg View Post
To be fair to LH, even he finds it boring now.
He trots out his “thanks to factory” and then lights up as he moves on to his real passion.
His BLM campaign.
At least his BLM campaign has gotten him off that annoying (and highly hypocritical) climate change agenda.
Although I do wonder if he's done 'due diligence' of the BLM organization - nothing wrong with the BLM ideal, but the movement itself has some pretty nasty baggage (hint - it's Marxist).
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Old 21st Jul 2020, 22:55
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Originally Posted by tdracer View Post
At least his BLM campaign has gotten him off that annoying (and highly hypocritical) climate change agenda.
Although I do wonder if he's done 'due diligence' of the BLM organization - nothing wrong with the BLM ideal, but the movement itself has some pretty nasty baggage (hint - it's Marxist).
He does appear to jump onto whatever bandwagon is trendy... all about vegan, going on about climate change and environmentalism (bit rich coming from someone who got a private jet then committed tax evasion around it) and now black lives matter.

I wonder what it will be next...
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Old 22nd Jul 2020, 16:56
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Originally Posted by Blues&twos View Post
I agree with Kev, re: the Ferrari team culture. They've also always come across, to me in any case, as a very tense group. I know this is probably as a result of their inability to mount a real challenge, but it can't help. Binotto is an improvement, but it just doesn't seem like a particularly pleasant environment. All just how I perceive them of course.
Well here you have it Team reshuffle
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Old 22nd Jul 2020, 17:50
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Originally Posted by LlamaFarmer View Post
He does appear to jump onto whatever bandwagon is trendy... all about vegan, going on about climate change and environmentalism (bit rich coming from someone who got a private jet then committed tax evasion around it) and now black lives matter.

I wonder what it will be next...
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Old 22nd Jul 2020, 18:33
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Interesting, atakacs!

I liked this bit
"...have also created a new "Performance Development" department, headed up by Enrico Cardile"

Surely I can't be the only one somewhat surprised that the Ferrari F1 team doesn't already have a team looking at performance.
Although that doea explain their current situation.
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Old 22nd Jul 2020, 19:01
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Originally Posted by Blues&twos View Post
"...have also created a new "Performance Development" department, headed up by Enrico Cardile"

Surely I can't be the only one somewhat surprised that the Ferrari F1 team doesn't already have a team looking at performance.
Although that does explain their current situation.
They obviously already had such a department and this is just a smoke screen.

In my view they should really do much more as otherwise I don't see how 2020 and 2021 would not be complete write-offs:
  1. Get clean - explain what the whole engine issue is / was and, if it turns out that they actually cheated, take the blame (they could for instance be stripped of their construtor points and thus reimburse all their 2019 gains to the other teams on a pro rata basis - I'm sure there would be quite a few takers...)
  2. Fire Binotto - He was head of engines before becoming team principal so there is no way he did not know. I am not for scapegoats but they will need one !
  3. Against the above get a agreement from the other teams to be allowed a significant "reset" of their engines for 2021. Renault obtained such a thing in the past, I think it would be in everyone's interest (even Merc/Honda) to have a competitive Ferrari.
Obviously a wet dream but heck one can

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Old 22nd Jul 2020, 21:24
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They need a new engine formula for a reset I think.

Something that requires revolution not evolution, so that Mercedes cannot develop an existing engine even more, but have to start from scratch like everyone else. More of a chance of a level playing field again then.
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Old 23rd Jul 2020, 05:56
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Originally Posted by LlamaFarmer View Post
They need a new engine formula for a reset I think.

Something that requires revolution not evolution, so that Mercedes cannot develop an existing engine even more, but have to start from scratch like everyone else. More of a chance of a level playing field again then.
I'd agree... but current engines are fully frozen till 2022 and the hybrid tech will be used till 2024 at least (to the best of my understanding).
There is just no way that Ferrari will be able to spend 500m / year to battle the midfield that long.
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Old 23rd Jul 2020, 08:29
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Originally Posted by LlamaFarmer View Post
They need a new engine formula for a reset I think.

Something that requires revolution not evolution, so that Mercedes cannot develop an existing engine even more, but have to start from scratch like everyone else. More of a chance of a level playing field again then.
Why? At various times over the last three years the Mercedes engine hs been regarded as not the most powerful on the grid, but they still win. The typical podium over the last 3 years has often included three different engines. Mercedes-engined cars are not all in the first third of the grid - indeed Mercedes engines power the fastest and the slowest card on the grid. Look at the low speed straight-line acceleration numbers (available on the FIA telemetry pages) and you see that there really isn't that much in the power numbers - certainly nowhere near enough to support a claim that it's all just down to horsepower.

I put it to you that the Mercedes team success has been as much (indeed more) down to their car designs as their engines. Over the last three years the only other mercedes-powered team to be seen performing has been this year's Racing Point. And that's because they have adopted the Mercedes aero concept, not the engine (which they've had for years). RP's previous aero concept was based on the red bull, and they couldn't make it deliver any more performance (which RB don't seem to be able to either) so they changed concept. Perhaps other teams need to learn from this as well.

Mercedes have a good car and a team that actually works. A couple of years ago Ross Brawn said Ferrari need to take some "quiet time" to address their problems and find a way ahead. Brawn was the engineering/leadership core of ferrari during the only period in recent times when they have been effective. Perhaps they should listen to him...

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Old 23rd Jul 2020, 09:12
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Probably a dumb suggestion, but the engine rule clarifications surely reveal the loophole(s) Ferrari were using?
Or have FIA muddied the water with some irrelevant clarifications just to confuse everyone?
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Old 23rd Jul 2020, 13:31
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Look at the low speed straight-line acceleration numbers (available on the FIA telemetry pages)
Are those publicly available ?

Probably a dumb suggestion, but the engine rule clarifications surely reveal the loophole(s) Ferrari were using?
Or have FIA muddied the water with some irrelevant clarifications just to confuse everyone?
I believe that everyone knows that Ferrari somehow managed to deliver more than 100kg/h... Apparently they were not caught in the act or the FIA did not dare exposing them. But there is little doubt that they somehow flouted the rules. How badly will probably revealed in next century history books...

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Old 23rd Jul 2020, 17:00
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I still don't really see the issue in fuel flow rate. I didn't when they brought the rule in either.

Give them 100kg, and leave it up to the teams how they use it. Then reduce the amount they are allowed every year, say 2kg per season, to promote efficiency development.

But if a team wants to use 120kg/hr fuel flow under certain conditions, why stop them.
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Old 23rd Jul 2020, 17:15
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Originally Posted by LlamaFarmer View Post
I still don't really see the issue in fuel flow rate. I didn't when they brought the rule in either.

Give them 100kg, and leave it up to the teams how they use it. Then reduce the amount they are allowed every year, say 2kg per season, to promote efficiency development.

But if a team wants to use 120kg/hr fuel flow under certain conditions, why stop them.
Quite . Other than we would be back to lift and coast
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