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Old 4th Nov 2019, 16:45
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It is worth reading what Mercedes chief engineer thinks about Lewis Hamilton's achievements. He should know:-
https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/50284993
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Old 4th Nov 2019, 22:44
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/50284577

Cool I drive a car too, So I too must be an athlete....
Many people who've never driven a race car at speed don't appreciate just how physically demanding it can be. Doing just about anything at 100% for an hour or two takes endurance - add in the physical demands of cornering, steering, multiple 'g' braking, etc. on a hot day while wearing a multi-layer driver suit and helmet and the physical demand is considerable.
What I raced was nowhere near as capable as an F1 car - max cornering was around 2g - and the race length was typically an hour, yet I had to spend several hours a week doing physical training to be able to perform at a high level (and this for amateur racing) and most of my upper body would ache the day after a race.
25 years ago, I went to a national caliber race at Willow Springs (high California desert, near Edwards AFB - where 'there ain't no willows and ain't no springs'). It was HOT - 105 F (40 C) and although it was a multiple day event, both my races were on the same day - one hour races with an hour and a half break in between. I had a very good day - finished second in both races - but I was so physically wiped out after the second race that I simply didn't care...

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Old 5th Nov 2019, 00:09
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Just to agree with the above posters. On a much gentler level I used to race sports cars here in Japan. I remember finishing a race, coming back to the pits, opening the door and kind of peeling or rolling out onto the tarmac, breathing heavily and sweating profusely inside the flame retardant suit and helmet. No air con. (I am no spring chicken, though.) Testing all of the limits with complete concentration is exhausting.

Of course there was other work to do which Lewis is excused, like tightening wheel nuts, checking tyre pressures, cleaning cars, carrying things like your own kit, 20L cans of fuel, spare wheels, jacks, tool boxes, tents, tables, chairs, stoves, etc., so by the end of the day I usually slept well.
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Old 5th Nov 2019, 07:29
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Just getting in and out of a go-kart makes me ache.
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Old 5th Nov 2019, 20:08
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
I don't normally comment on F1, since it became a game of team chess I've lost interest. However I do agree with Jackie Stewart on R4 this morning that Hamilton could prove his greatness by winning with a different team.
Hmmm. When I look back on Sir Jockies WDC record and having this alleged statement in mind, I think I may have been misinformed as to exactly who in the Stewart family has dementia?
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Old 5th Nov 2019, 20:09
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Originally Posted by PDR1 View Post
I listened to Sir J as well, and thought he was being a bit of a dick (but then he's always had a problem with Lewis for some reason - perhaps because Lewis has the brazen nerve not to be Scottish). His core treatise was that Lewis had the good fortune to start his F1 career in the best car (which is true), and that he'd always been in top cars for the whole of his career (which is not true).

Lewis certainly started his F1 career in a contending car, but he also then proceeded to comprehensively thrash his experienced double-world-champion team-mate. He would have won his rookie season had he not suffered Alonso's gamesmanship (eg blocking the pit during quali) and team errors (eg leaving him out in the lead for so long that he was down to the tyre carcass and crashed out of the corner in the pit lane through lack of grip). He won in 2008. In 2009 McLaren gave him a complete dog of a car that was only capable of qualifying in the mid field, but he still won a couple of races with it, accumulating more than three times the points haul of his team mate. In 2010 the car was barely any better, but he still won three races and 9 podiums compared to 2 and 7 respectively for his team mate (Jenson Button), beating Jenson by 26 points despite having 3 DNFs to Jenson's two. Only in 2011 (when the car was a bit better) did Jenson actually beat him with same number of wins, but more podiums - and again Lewis had more DNFs. In 2012 the car was fast, but very unreliable when pushed to catch the all-conquering red bull. Lewis won four races and seven podiums to Jenson's 2 & 6, beating Jenson by two points despite suffering a whopping five DNFs to Jenson's two. Two of those DNFs were mechanical failures from the lead, and arguably a third was a race he was heading to win. In 2013 Lewis transferred to an uncompetitive Mercedes - it was thirsty, poor in low speed corners and very heavy in its tyres. Despite this Lewis managed a win and five podiums. Then we entered the turbo-hybrid era where (as we know) the Mercedes was initially dominant - but in 2014 Lewis beat his team mate 11-5 on wins, and in 2016 it was 10-6. In 2015 Rosberg beat him, but only by virtue of an unforced DNF (engine grenaded) from a dominant lead in Malaysia - even then he beat him on wins 10 to Rosberg's 9.

In 2017 Ferrari had a competitive car and could have won, but Hamilton beat them. In 2018 Ferrari had the faster car and should have won, but Hamilton beat them. In 2019 Ferrari again had the faster car and should have won, but Hamilton beat them.

So I think Sir J's treatise is hogwash (other views are available).

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I'll happily go with yours!
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Old 6th Nov 2019, 00:39
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Originally Posted by PDR1 View Post

So I think Sir J's treatise is hogwash (other views are available).

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I (somewhat reluctantly) agree. Lewis has already won in more than one team.

I don't always agree with Eddie Jordan however I agree with this

"Former F1 motorsport boss Eddie Jordan believes that Lewis Hamilton is “already in a different league” to Michael Schumacher ...

due to the ways in which the latter used politics within the team to receive beneficiary treatment."(their bold)
https://www.gpfans.com/en/articles/4...macher-jordan/

Not to mention Mad Mike running the opposition off the track if it seemed beneficial.
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Old 17th Nov 2019, 18:11
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Well that was an interesting finish......

Have to blame Seb for the Ferrari debacle, and Alex for the coming together with Lewis - he left the door open and tried to close it too late.
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Old 17th Nov 2019, 18:22
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If it was Albon's fault why did Hamilton say "Sorry, it was my fault"?
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Old 17th Nov 2019, 18:25
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Yeah Lewis basically admitted it was his fault. And the commentators seemed to be talking about him being not unlikely to get a penalty.


Vettel did exactly the same to Leclerc as he did to Webber all those years ago... it was his fault then, despite him blaming his teammate... and it's his fault again now.
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Old 17th Nov 2019, 19:46
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Lewis gets 5 second penalty, promoting Sainz to 3rd and demoting him to 7th.
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Old 17th Nov 2019, 20:20
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And the BBC website puts Hamilton 6th and says that all is not finished as several other drivers are under investigation for breaking the rules. The F1.com site still shows the original finishing positions at 21-21. Will they change it?
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Old 17th Nov 2019, 20:52
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Sainz is one of the drivers being investigated for using DRS when it was not permitted.

I thought Race Control had the ability to activate/deactivate DRS, and thought that was linked to the primary method of operating it (with a secondary method for the driver to operate it) if there were problems with it, like there has been on a couple of occasions in the past.
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Old 17th Nov 2019, 21:20
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Originally Posted by LlamaFarmer View Post
I thought Race Control had the ability to activate/deactivate DRS
They have and they do, but that is for globally disabling DRS over the whole track (like the first two laps of the race, when it's raining, or for the two laps after a safety car). But the alleged offences here relate to using DRS in a section of the track where double-waved yellows were in force - this can be a section of track as little as 100m long. If there is a green flag before the end of the DRS zone, or before the start of the next DRS zone, then they are allowed to use it again. The global system cannot disable the DRS only over specific sections of the track.

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Old 17th Nov 2019, 21:35
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Thanks for the clarification PDR1.

Am I right that DRS (should) automatically closes when they lift off the throttle, or is it only upon application of the brakes?
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Old 17th Nov 2019, 21:51
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Only on braking.

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Old 18th Nov 2019, 10:24
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If it was Albon's fault why did Hamilton say "Sorry, it was my fault"?
I suspect Albon meant his mistake...to leave the door open, knowing Hamilton was behind him, which resulted in him getting knocked out of the race. Hamiltons fault for causing the accident, though, as he didn't have to go for the gap when it was likely to close.
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Old 18th Nov 2019, 12:58
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Bit of a difference between Hamilton admitting fault and getting penalised and Vettel not admitting fault and not getting penalised. Especially when you compare the consequences of both incidents. How many penalty points does Vettel have now?
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Old 18th Nov 2019, 13:05
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Originally Posted by BusyB View Post
Bit of a difference between Hamilton admitting fault and getting penalised and Vettel not admitting fault and not getting penalised. Especially when you compare the consequences of both incidents. How many penalty points does Vettel have now?
They tend to view it differently if it's within the team - take out your team-mate and all the suffering is within the same team so the team principle rips you a new one behind the bike shed. Take out someone from another team and its up to the stewards to hand out punishment.

To be honest, what Vettel did may have been stupidly unnecessary (he was actually heading for a win at that point, so taking risks was silly), but the actual offence was pretty minor - that it caused such catastrophic damage came as a surprise to everyone.

But I absolutely agree that Hamilton coming straight out of the car and saying "Sorry, my fault" shows some integrity which it would be nice if others could look to follow.

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Old 18th Nov 2019, 13:07
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Bit of a difference between Hamilton admitting fault and getting penalised and Vettel not admitting fault and not getting penalised. Especially when you compare the consequences of both incidents. How many penalty points does Vettel have now?
Hamilton benefited from the outcome, Vettel didn't...
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