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Old 14th Oct 2019, 14:37
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Early Chequer:-
Displaying the leader's current lap number, rather than number of completed laps, can be confusing
Perhaps, but this convention has been around for decades so it's a practice they should all be used to and familiar with by now.

Leclerc/Verstappen
Lack of comment here suggests you all expected V to think it fair to push L off track in Austria, but unfair for L to push V off track in Japan.
Not really. I personally think that Max should have had a slap for Austria, and Charles should have had a similar one for the collision in Japan because it went well beyond the permissible "first lap lassitude". But the bulk of Charles' penalty was for continuing in an unsafe car. After the collision his car was shedding carbon shards and large pieces of wing structure. The team pre-empted the black flag by informing the clerk of the course that he would come in at the end of the lap for repairs. The team called him in, but he refused and carried on for another two laps before coming in. During that time he shed carbon shards all over the track, and shed large pieces which damaged two other cars (his wing mirror flew off and smashed Lewis's wing mirror - if that had hit his head...). So he got a very light punishment of a further 10 seconds for failing to come in when the team had promised he would. If it were me I'd have given him either 30 seconds or a complete disqualification for being such a dick.

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Old 14th Oct 2019, 21:13
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Originally Posted by PDR1 View Post
they are being very cagey about it, but as far as I can gather the allegation is that Renault have a system which progressively moves the brake balance through the course of the race - seemingly as some form of "auto-trim" as the fuel burns off(?) or maybe even as an automatic response to tyre wear(?). At face value this would be an automatic driver aid of the kind which the rules don't permit.

But we know that they have sequestered the steering wheels and ECUs of the Renault cars, and that's a bit alarming. I can almost accept that they may want to understand the switch moding and functions on the steering wheel, but the ECU is a sealed standard part supplied by the FIA (they're all made by Mclaren's Tag electronics business IIRC). It contains all the monitoring systems and telemetry used by the stewards and I was under the impression that monkeying with any part of it was strictly verbotten. The claim is that they are looking to analyse hardware and software in these two items, which seems to imply (as I understand it) a rule violation as bad as the Benneton "Menu Option 13" scandal from the mid 90s. I really hope not, because Renault Group have just got themselves a new CEO, one who is not a committed F1 fan like his predecessor. If there was this kind of scandal in the offing it might be enough for the new CEO to just pull out, and either sell or shut down the team (and maybe even pull out of the engine supply thing).

The only thing we definitely know about the investigations is that they said it wouldn't be quick...

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This new CEO - Is he the fellow who replaced Carlos or is he the replacement's replacement?
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Old 15th Oct 2019, 04:34
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/s...plan-p39grrlsg

Sprint race for pole in new F1 plan

Formula One has chosen three venues to trial a new qualifying format in a latest bid to make racing more exciting.

The French, Belgian and Russian grands prix will experiment next season with a sprint race on the Saturday afternoon, in place of the traditional three-part qualifying. The plan is for the race to last 45 minutes, with a reverse starting grid governed by championship points. Based on the present title situation, that would put Lewis Hamilton at the back of the grid and fellow Briton, George Russell, on pole. The finishing positions would determine the starting grid for the main event a day later.

After the proposals were discussed at the Japanese Grand Prix over the weekend, it is understood that not all teams are on board as they are wary of the additional costs that could be involved, particularly if any damage is sustained during a sprint race.

The teams had previously said that they would not stand in the way of the idea, but since running simulations of the sprint race, have become more sceptical. They have reported that the best drivers on the grid would make little progress through the field in the time frame......

However, many will argue that qualifying is one of the few areas that does not need tinkering with, with the move failing to address bigger problems within the sport; that it is too expensive, that the cars are too heavy and that it is difficult to overtake.

The 2021 regulations are due to be published this month and are designed to level the playing field by bringing down costs and improving overtaking. However, after a meeting of F1 chiefs, the FIA and the team principals, it emerged that only four teams had agreed to the new regulations.

The bigger teams are understood to want to keep most of the technical regulations the same, having invested huge amounts in developing their cars.






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Old 15th Oct 2019, 05:23
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Originally Posted by packapoo View Post
This new CEO - Is he the fellow who replaced Carlos or is he the replacement's replacement?
well Thierry Bollore has just been ousted and replacement has not been nominated yet (I don’t see Clotilde Delbos keeping the job for long).
Things seem pretty much in flux at the moment at Renault. As for their future in F1 it is anyone’s guess. A major technical violation would most likely spell their end IMHO. I feel for Ricciardo...
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Old 15th Oct 2019, 10:00
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I was put off reverse grids after that USA accident that took out a good driver who was carving through the field from the back (and I am ashamed to admit I cannot remember who it was).
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Old 15th Oct 2019, 10:16
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
The plan is for the race to last 45 minutes, with a reverse starting grid governed by championship points. Based on the present title situation, that would put Lewis Hamilton at the back of the grid and fellow Briton, George Russell, on pole. The finishing positions would determine the starting grid for the main event a day later.
I think we've all seen examples of accidents that occur when a car stalls on on the start line or when a simple prang at the 1st corner results in a massive pile up because of the following cars not being able to stop or swerve out of the way in time.
I predict that if this plan is implemented, exactly the same will happen and the new qualifying system will soon revert back to how it was previously run.
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Old 16th Oct 2019, 08:10
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/50061569

I think Lewis is slowly losing the plot. Whilst I empathise with his concerns, he is a world champion in a sport that is centred around the burning of fossil fuels and itself promotes the growth of the motor industry worldwide. If he was really concerned, perhaps he should retire from F1 completely but then of course, he would miss the money and the limelight. (bring back James Hunt)
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Old 16th Oct 2019, 09:25
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Did selling his private jet have anything to do with tax evasion by buying it tax free in the Isle of Man?
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Old 16th Oct 2019, 10:57
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He is being honest to his feelings, and I admire him for that, but there is no perfect end to this path he is starting to walk. Humanity is like the bull in the china shop, it is true. But however carefully any single bull chooses to tread, zero damage is not possible; he will still cause damage to the carpet. Like the Jains in India, he/she will have to sweep the path with a broom to avoid stepping on insects, and wear a mask to avoid breathing in microbes. In fact, the best thing someone could do for the planet would be to start pushing up daisies.

Really all we can do is cause as little damage to the planet as possible on an individual level. The only thing we can influence, once born, is the degree of damage, never to eliminate it completely. And I do not think we can force it on others.

Perhaps instead of going to Ferrari, he will head over to Formula E, if he can stand the silence.
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Old 16th Oct 2019, 11:23
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Perhaps instead of going to Ferrari, he will head over to Formula E, if he can stand the silence.
I can't imagine Formula E would appeal to Lewis, but who knows?

And, of course, moving to Formula E would achieve nothing from an environmental perspective, as another driver would take his place in F1.
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Old 16th Oct 2019, 11:51
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I wonder what her name is.......
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Old 16th Oct 2019, 15:56
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Appears he is another born again vegan too.... having seen his hairstyle on TV of late, he could save a few bob and no doubt reduce his hairdressers fuel burn by sacking him. Perhaps he should sell his boat, his cars and invest in a windfarm to offset his carbon footprint?
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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 21:01
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https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14...gal-driver-aid

Renault disqualified after illegal F1 driver aid use in Japanese GP

Renault has had both its cars disqualified from Formula 1's Japanese Grand Prix for using an illegal driver aid.

Following a protest lodged by the Racing Point team, the FIA stewards held a teleconference hearing on Wednesday to evaluate whether a brake bias adjustment system used by Daniel Ricciardo and Nico Hulkenberg in Suzuka was legal. The stewards believed that the system was not in contravention of F1's technical regulations, but that it was a driver aid. As a result, Daniel Ricciardo and Nico Hulkenberg have been stripped of their sixth and ninth place finishes.

Racing Point's protest was based on claims that it believed a pre-set lap distance-dependent brake bias adjustment system was in breach of several F1's regulations. FIA documents revealed the suggestions had originally been made by an ex-Renault employee. Racing Point argued the system was a breach of Article 27.1 of F1's sporting regulations, which demand a driver drives the car alone and unaided. The team also felt Renault had breached Articles 11.1.3, 11.1.4 and 8.6.3 of the technical regulations that outlaw powered devices that alter brake balance, or any system not controlled by the driver.

Renault insisted that its brake bias adjustment system did not use a lap-distance trigger, and was within the technical regulations. It offered full details of the system to the FIA, but this has been kept confidential and has not been revealed to the public.

Following a teleconference hearing between the Japanese GP stewards, it was concluded that Renault's system did comply with the technical regulations.

Stewards' findings

1. The rear brake controller software used by Renault is an integral part of the control system referred to in Article 11.9 FIA Formula One Technical Regulations. As such, it is used in compliance with Article 11.1.3 and 11.1.4 of the FIA Formula One Technical Regulations.

2. The described control system is not pre-set, lap distance-dependent as alleged.

3. Renault drivers use buttons mounted on the steering wheel to control brake balance in compliance with Article 8.6.3 FIA Formula One Technical Regulations. These are connected to the FIA Standard ECU.

4. Given the above, the Stewards conclude that while Renault used innovative solutions to exploit certain ambiguities in the Technical Regulations and other supporting documents, their system does not breach any current Technical Regulation.

A stewards statement read: "The brake balance adjustment system in question acts as a driver aid, by saving the driver from having to make a number of adjustments during a lap. The Stewards note that there is a clear distinction between this system and one which provides actual feedback control, which could be a substitute for driver skills or reflexes. Nevertheless, it is still an aid and, therefore, contravenes Article 27.1 FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations."

The decision was taken to disqualify Ricciardo and Hulkenberg from the Suzuka race because it was felt that they had gained an advantage from the system.

Because of the unique nature of the hearing, an extended deadline has been proposed should Renault decide to appeal the penalty. It has until Thursday 10.00 local time in Mexico to notify the FIA of its intent to appeal if it wishes to do so.......






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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 21:41
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Appears he is another born again vegan too.... having seen his hairstyle on TV of late, he could save a few bob and no doubt reduce his hairdressers fuel burn by sacking him. Perhaps he should sell his boat, his cars and invest in a windfarm to offset his carbon footprint?
Alonso says Hamilton should shut up and drive:
https://www.gptours.com/gr_news/alon...-planet-posts/

You can’t send out a message on one day, and on the next day do the opposite.
“We all know the lifestyle that Lewis has, and that Formula 1 drivers take 200 planes a year. You can’t then say ‘don’t eat meat’,” Alonso charged.
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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 21:42
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Ricciardo must rue the day he decided to move to Renault. Turned into the worst possible career move which is a great pity not just for him because he is clearly a very talented drive let down by a piece of crap car. But also for F1 fans who are denied seeing him race and also for the sport as what F1 needs now more than ever is competitive racing not one team dominating year after year.
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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 21:50
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I can't imagine Formula E would appeal to Lewis, but who knows?

And, of course, moving to Formula E would achieve nothing from an environmental perspective, as another driver would take his place in F1.

It isn’t just the actual race day that needs to be considered from an environmental perspective. Have you seen the logistics behind F1 - see video link. Add up that carbon footprint. And yes each drivers personal carbon footprint would be equal to an average small village. Oh, should we also mention how many ‘live’ in Monaco. How socially responsible. I am sure their respective home countries could do with their tax to pay for all those things like health care and education.

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Hamilton did shut up and drive when he was Alonso's teammate. I seem to recall that Alonso didn't like it much.
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Old 27th Oct 2019, 04:22
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The Times:

.......Bosses at the top teams have asked for the 2021 regulations to be delayed as they are deemed “immature” and underdeveloped in their current state. The final regulations are due to be published on Thursday and will play a big part in deciding who is still in the sport in two years.

No team or top driver has signed up to the sport beyond the end of 2020 as they all wait to see what the future of Formula One will look like. Honda, who provide engines to Red Bull and Toro Rosso, have made it clear that they are awaiting the regulations before deciding whether or not they will remain in F1. Hamilton and Vettel have both said they will not commit beyond 2020 until they know what is going to happen and how it will impact on the competitiveness of their respective teams.

Christian Horner, the team principal at Red Bull, said the decision to not delay was an “opportunity missed”. He proposed delaying all the changes other than the cost cap until 2022. Toto Wolff, the team principal at Mercedes, agreed with Horner.

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Old 27th Oct 2019, 05:14
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Verstappen given 3 place grid penalty for not lifting for the yellow flag on his last qualifying lap. Pretty much a slam dunk case, an insanely talented driver but one who still needs to grow up some more and realise the rules apply to him too.
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Old 27th Oct 2019, 09:37
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Verstappen given 3 place grid penalty for not lifting for the yellow flag on his last qualifying lap. Pretty much a slam dunk case, an insanely talented driver but one who still needs to grow up some more and realise the rules apply to him too.
From BBC Sport, Verstappen's comments on the yellow flag incident are..... interesting. Does seem to be under the impression that he's above all that stuff.

"I think we all know what a yellow flag means," Verstappen said. Pressed on why he did not slow, given the safety concerns, he said: "Do we have to go there? To safety? I think we know what we are doing - otherwise we would not be driving an F1 car. It's qualifying and, yeah, you go for it. But like I said before, if they want to delete the lap, then delete the lap."
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