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Old 1st Apr 2019, 05:41
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Originally Posted by jolihokistix View Post
This was not for me as I had already watched the bloody race.
It was for the people on the previous page like PDR1 who had gone to the kind trouble of whiting out all their comments.
I was typing my comments as the incidents happened during the race, so I thought it only proper to white them out for people who wouldn't be able to watch the race untile the FTA showing later..

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Old 1st Apr 2019, 06:06
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Why did they leave LH out so long on dying tires. They had to reckon he could go to the end easily on the mediums from lap 25 and the softs had done their useful 12 laps. Was it because it would dump him out in traffic, and if so could he not have dealt with it on new tires?
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Old 1st Apr 2019, 09:23
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Originally Posted by jimjim1 View Post
I think he may have lost his temper and spun the car 'deliberately' when he saw Lewis disappearing past. It was going very nearly straight.

Pretty strange looking anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ID2_Xx8ziY

Maybe not - Above is high resolution and viewed in slow motion Vettel is doing quite a bit of steering as Lewis is alongside him earlier, as they exit the right hander. Car was all up on tip-toes. Still looks a bit careless.
Is it the car or is it the way Vettel drives. It always seems to happen to him..
In addition, it is clear that he flat spotted his tyres during and after the spin because you could clearly see the high vibration which resulted in fatigue failure of the front wing.

Ferrari must be rather concerned about the number of driver errors he is making especially when they have a very fast car.
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Old 1st Apr 2019, 09:40
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A lot of the time last year it was a spin after making contact... that contact sometimes being Vettel's fault, but not always (like when Max hit him).

It seems the Ferrari is EXTREMELY sensitive in yaw, and perhaps once it starts to go and the lateral aero is destabilised, it's almost impossible to stop.

I noted on the Sky F1 on the grid that they mentioned Mercedes has the longest wheelbase of any other car on the grid... longer wheelbase means more stable, and short wheelbase (like the Ford RS200 or Lancia Stratos) are almost impossible to drive on the limit as they are so short.


Perhaps a combination of that. And once the airflow is not going along the longitudinal axis of the car, maybe it is a violent snap of aero. A bit like a wingtip stalling first on an aircraft.
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Old 1st Apr 2019, 09:44
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Originally Posted by Buster15 View Post
Ferrari must be rather concerned about the number of driver errors he is making especially when they have a very fast car.
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Yes, and Lewis knows he's prone to making mistakes in the heat of the moment and is more likely to put him under pressure if required.
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Old 1st Apr 2019, 10:44
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"Aargh," Vettel said on the radio, (BBC)
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Old 2nd Apr 2019, 06:30
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Muss say I got a good chuckle out of Horner mentioning Renault costing them "in and out of the car". Good one!

Bit mistified by the Ferrari explication of Leclerc's issue being a cylinder misfiring. But who knows...?!

Is there any reference about where the SC line is in Bahreďn? Surprised that Verstapen did not try a move (I believe Schumacher did one on Alonso at some point in a similar situation).
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Old 2nd Apr 2019, 10:07
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Originally Posted by atakacs View Post
Is there any reference about where the SC line is in Bahreďn? Surprised that Verstapen did not try a move (I believe Schumacher did one on Alonso at some point in a similar situation).
That's because the rules have prohibited it since the beginning of 2010. Rule* 40.13 - states:

"If the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed it will enter the pitlane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking.".*

The Schumacher incident was at Monaco in 2010, shortly after the rule had been introduced, but Ross Brawn had interpretted the events differently. He says they were explicitly told the safety car was coming in BEFORE the end of the race, even though it was the final lap, and he had print-outs of the race-director messages which showed a green light before the first car had crossed the finish line. The stewerds saw it differently, and Michael was given a 20 second penalty, dropping him from 2nd (1st after the overtake) to 12th. Some felt this was harsh, as it was a difference in interpretation rather than explicit cheating - they suggested that a more appropriate action would simply to have the result declared for the positions under the safety car (ie put Michael back to 2nd), but it has been pointed outthere isn't actually a regulation which gives the stewerds the authority to do this.

They've clarrified the implementation now - the race director will explicitly state that the race will finish under safety car conditions to remove all doubt.

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Old 2nd Apr 2019, 14:30
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Originally Posted by Blues&twos View Post
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Yes, and Lewis knows he's prone to making mistakes in the heat of the moment and is more likely to put him under pressure if required.
Excellent. Can't wait. Lewis is probably the most intelligent driver in F1 and conversely is much more focused under pressure.
However, as he quite rightly said at the end of the race, Mercedes has much work to do to catch up with the flying Ferrari.

Will be interesting to see how Leclerc copes with the pressures of being a leading driver.
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Old 2nd Apr 2019, 18:46
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Originally Posted by PDR1 View Post
That's because the rules have prohibited it since the beginning of 2010.
Thanks for refreshing my memory.

That being said they were battling for P6.
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Old 14th Apr 2019, 10:59
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Surprised no one tried a med-hard-soft strategy (or even a med-med-soft strategy). But a controlled and professional drive from the front two. Superb (almost awesome) display of how to do double stacking under pressure from the Silver Arrows.

Full discussion after Ch4 have aired their highlights.

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Old 14th Apr 2019, 12:34
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Originally Posted by Buster15 View Post
Will be interesting to see how Leclerc copes with the pressures of being a leading driver.
Chance would be a fine thing . . .
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Old 14th Apr 2019, 13:04
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Chance would be a fine thing . . .
Well, if C-LeC was ever under any misapprehension about his status in the Ferrari team, that's just been well and truly corrected.
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Old 14th Apr 2019, 14:08
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Well, if C-LeC was ever under any misapprehension about his status in the Ferrari team, that's just been well and truly corrected.
True. Discuss the team orders and get punished.
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Old 14th Apr 2019, 19:13
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The team orders are costing Ferrari points in both championships.

Leclerc would be 3rd in the championship if they hadn't swapped him with Vettel, who would most likely still be 4th.
Instead they're 4th and 5th.

Do they want to prioritise their more experienced driver, or prioritise their chances of a championship?
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Old 15th Apr 2019, 01:30
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I'm not exactly thrilled by the prospect of another season with Mercedes as the dominant car. Nothing against Lewis, but I'm not that interested in waiting to see which Merc driver is going to win.
Hope that Ferrari (and Red Bull) can get their act together quickly and mount a serious challenge.

I found it strange that Ferrari didn't put Leclerc on softs for that final stint - asking him to close a nearly 15 second gap to Max in 15 laps with the same tires was a tall order. Sure, maybe he would have run out of tires before he caught Max, but it's not like he had a challenge from behind if it didn't work out.
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Old 16th Apr 2019, 19:09
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Old 28th Apr 2019, 07:08
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So Baku continues as a circuit that catches even the good people out! What seemed like a Ferrari slam-dunk with their higher top speed on that looooong straight became ever more complicated by delays from crashes and dropping track temps. But Mercedes out-played Ferrari again with that stroke of genius in Q3. Having recognised the value of a slipstream tow on the finish straight they dummied Ferrari into putting Vettel out behind them for the final Q3 run, and then apparently stopped to do dummy starts so that Vettel ran entirely in clean air. With BOTH mercs running much further back they were able to get big enough gaps to run fast in sector 1 and 2, closing just sufficiently to get a decent tow down the straight in the final sector, although Hamilton's 1st sector was compromised by having to slow much more before the start of the lap (losing him two tenths in the first sector). So better racecraft AGAIN allowed Mercedes to put their cars on the front row even though the Ferraris were clearly the faster cars.

Incidently - for those who like to understand stuff Ted Kravitz managed to get a remarkably candid briefing from James Allison on how the aerodynamic concept works, and the functions of the various bits. A short version was broadcast with the quali show yesterday, but the full version (nearly 18 minutes) is freely available on the sky website:

https://www.skysports.com/watch/vide...rner-for-d-m2t

So with Leclerc starting from 10th, and both ferraris starting further back than their speed should warrant we're probably in for a good race with lots of overtaking. And of course Baku tends to have lots of incidents, so the strategy teams will be working flat out trying to gain the most benefit for any virtual or real safety cars...

Looking forward to this one!!

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Old 28th Apr 2019, 08:44
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PDR1,

I always enjoy reading your summaries - thanks!

Small detail, but I believe Leclerc will actually start from 9th because Giovinazzi's 10-place grid penalty for engine component changes drops him to 18th.
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Old 28th Apr 2019, 09:07
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Originally Posted by spekesoftly View Post
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Small detail, but I believe Leclerc will actually start from 9th because Giovinazzi's 10-place grid penalty for engine component changes drops him to 18th.
DUH!!! Even as I typed that I was thinking that I'd forgotten something, but couldn't remember what* - thanks.

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* I couldn't remember what I'd forgotten - another startling piece of PDR insight. Next I'll be saying I couldn't do what I wasn't capable of doing and I couldn't be somewhere when I was somewhere else. I hope someone is saving these gems so that when I'm gone they can publish a book of "The Thoughts of Chairman Dufus"!!
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