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Old 19th Oct 2017, 17:36
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Am i the only one that saw the spider when they were being interviewed on the podium after the last race working his way across the wire in front of them all, It reminded me of the fuse on Impossible mission.
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Old 19th Oct 2017, 20:31
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So Fernando finally signs for another year at Mclaren, and it's looking likely that Mercedes will win the constructor's championship this weekend. This leaves Ferrari to reflect on how they managed to place second in a season where they arguably had the best car by some margin. Hopefully this will result in constructive changes rather than tantrums and rolling heads!

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Old 20th Oct 2017, 09:27
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rather than tantrums and rolling heads!

Oh come on now, Ferrari without tantrums? That would be like Wimbledon without strawberries!! Isn't Italian volatility one of the things we love about Ferrari??
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Old 20th Oct 2017, 11:51
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Mercedes are so far ahead in the championship, yes, but Hamilton has been looking a little tense lately. He knows he's got to nail this, but it's all in the split seconds and anything can happen. Is Lady Luck still smiling upon him?
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Old 20th Oct 2017, 11:58
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Lady Luck certainly didnít shine much on him last season.
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Old 20th Oct 2017, 12:27
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As LH has pointed out, there are still 100 points up for grabs.
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Old 21st Oct 2017, 00:29
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Rather impressed with LH today when, obviously board on a long straight, started playing a computer game on his steering wheel. That's really cool multi-tasking.

As one interested in the technology more than the race, I was intrigued by the ease with which the car slid off into the gravel. Nope, can't remember who it was.

Any thoughts on why that departed the track with such ease?

All in all I enjoyed the practice/qualifying TV today more than some races. Driver's eye view was had me clutching my knife and fork and hanging on every move. Some of the lines through corners by the lesser names were . . . very odd.

My experience with getting a move on comes from years - decades, of having night time roads to myself. Probably just as well I didn't have cars that could top 180. Mind you, the 3.8 E had very long legs but absurdly inadequate running gear for that kind of performance.
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Old 21st Oct 2017, 01:31
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Well, drifting requires you to spin the driving wheels, but sticky racing requires that your tyres remain glued to the track surface. You will drive to the very limit of the glue.
Any dampness, dust, oil, track debris, temperature change, etc., can affect this, as can getting your tyres onto the rumble strips and lifting the car for a second.
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Old 21st Oct 2017, 14:14
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I tried to find a clip of the slide but couldn't. I'm fairly sure it was well away from the left edge but memory not too vivid about it. I just thought it seemed okay until it departed the track to the right. The thing was, it didn't strike me as being on limits.

Just goes to show how much harder it is to drive a car reliant on down force. I recall the Hamster just not going fast enough and sliding off several times.
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Old 21st Oct 2017, 14:51
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Hmmm...
Sometimes when you know you are not going to make it round the racing line, and you do not want to wreck the brakes and tyres, you might let the car go straight into or across the gravel to slow it down, though gravel can be awful stuff to negotiate, and bad for your car, and for others if you then spread it all over the track...
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 10:55
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Originally Posted by PDR1 View Post
So Fernando finally signs for another year at Mclaren, and it's looking likely that Mercedes will win the constructor's championship this weekend. This leaves Ferrari to reflect on how they managed to place second in a season where they arguably had the best car by some margin. Hopefully this will result in constructive changes rather than tantrums and rolling heads!
Replying to myself is rather nihilistic, so apols.

So Mercedes have grabbed the chapionship by virture (mainly) of Ferrari's poor reliability coupled to the underlying problem that they have failed to win a single race since the summer break. Yesterday their car looked faster than the Merc (as evidenced by Valtiri's performance) but not when driven by Lewis, it seems - he was able to drive faster, overtake Vettel at will and STILL be kinder to his tyres.

And now the only way Lewis will NOT win the championship even if Seb wins all three remaining races is if Lewis places below 5th in all three (ie any single result at 5th or above and the championship is over). That's quite a turnaround from the mid-season position.

What do people think of the Vestappen penalty? I kinda get both sides on this. On the one hand passing off the track is a violation, whereas on the other we want to see close racing, and of all the track limits violations during the race it's unfair that this was the only one to be punished.

I think on balance I would have to side with the stewards - when it's for a podium place you shouldn't get it with a clear violation of the rules. But it's a tough call IMHO

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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 11:07
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Verstappen's penalty.

I'm not saying that the decision itself was wrong. But the way it was reached most certainly was. Both VES and RAI should have been called before the stewards and been given the opportunity to put their views across. Also totally inconsistent to only punish that one incident where a car was outside track limits.

I'd like to see a rule where any car that goes off track limits gets a 5 second penalty unless it can be shown that there was either a push off the track or other valid reason to depart the track (e.g. avoiding an accident).
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 11:20
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Verstappen penalty.
Could argue either way.
Excuse:- V was forced to cut the corner only to avoid a collision.
Justification:- Slicing off the apex is the easy way to get ahead, could become a habit if not immediately banned.
Comment:- Most (all?) other track limit excursions were on outside/at corner exit.
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 11:34
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I DO like this new F1
Started with a pantomime finished with a farce. Some good racing in between. If everyone who went off limits got 5 seconds every time they'd still be racing now.
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 12:34
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If everyone who gained a place by exceeding the track limits got a 5 second penalty, then it would be fair. As I saw it, only Max gained a place so he cannot complain. If everyone who put a wheel over the line was punished then it would be chaos.
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 12:41
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Agree with Beef. Bottas went off track, but lost the place anyway. Had he held the position, the stewards would have had a decision to make.


MV had a stellar drive yesterday, took a risk, and got penalised, but hey, the kid had nothing to lose, so it was worth a roll of the dice. He himself didn't seem too fazed by it, nor should he be, 16th - 4th was still brilliant.


Just looking forward to official confirmation of the inevitable, so that we can all stop having to listen to Jackie Stewart, still protesting why he was the best British driver..

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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 14:20
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The one thing that impressed me, besides some of the racing, was Alonso in FP3. There was a great aerial shot of him going through the chicanes and he was sticking to the track like s&*t to a blanket. My thoughts at the time were how well McLaren could do with that chassis and a decent engine!
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 14:23
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I do hope there is no planned repeat of the US 'razzle' that was the pre race driver introduction. I had to turn over for that period as it was so bloody cringeworthy I just could not watch it.
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 15:08
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The Americans own Formula One so it's their train set.
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 16:50
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