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Old 17th Sep 2017, 14:50
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Singapore. What an objectionable place to go out for a nice afternoon's drive.

It has all the charm of a long cage from a rat's-eye view.
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 15:12
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
Lewis Hamilton; bloody good driver but dim as a TOC H lamp!
Lewis Hamilton is dim!!
Really?? And who are you to judge I wonder.
Was he dim when he changed from Maclaren
to Mercedes. Is he really dim to be able to drive a modern F1 car as well or better than anyone else.
Is he really that dim to have used his natural skills and abilities to become not only such a brilliant driver and a multi millionaire.
Bet you wish you were as DIM...
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 16:01
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Originally Posted by Seldomfitforpurpose View Post
The race into turn 1 was always going to be interesting but from LH's perspective Xmas came early this year. Despite several safety cars he drove imperiously and takes a thoroughly deserved but totally unexpected victory, doubt any of us saw that coming.
Reminded me of Mansell's debut indycar race where every time he worked up a lead they threw out a safety car and took it away from him, so it could be argued that he effectively won that race 3 times!

I've just heard it confirmed on the Ted's Notebook broadcast that Mercedes were so convinced this track was a lost cause that they didn't want to waste decent engine hours on it, so both cars were running their decidedly "used" engine #2s (the ones installed for Spain and Monaco respectively). These engines were not only rather tired, but they were also an earlier build-standard that was a few BHP down on the #3 engines they ran in Spa and Monza.

This morning when I heard it had rained and may do so again I was hoping for a Max/Lewis rainmeister race, but it was not to be. I think Sebastian will rue this race for many years.

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Old 17th Sep 2017, 17:03
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Buster15: Keep your knickers on.
Was he dim when he changed from MacLaren
Yeah. But his Dad wasn't
Is he really dim to be able to drive a modern F1 car as well or better than anyone else.
Re-read what I said about his driving ability
As for your last "question", refer again to his Dad.
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 17:16
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His dad hasn't been his business manager for many years (I think he left that role in 2009 or 2010). His dad had no involvement in Lewis's move to Mercedes - it was a private discussion between him and Ross Brawn. Actually the discussions did involve Lewis's mum - the meetings were in her kitchen (away from the prying eyes of the media) and she contributed. It may only have been tea and cakes, but every contribution has its value.

According to those who know him in the team Lewis is regarded as rather bright - he has shown himself able to get to grips with the systems architecture and its potential emergent behaviours much quicker than either his team mates or the test drivers. That was one of the reasons why in 2014 he wasn't just faster - he generally did it on less fuel too.

So I don't think those who know him would agree with your description of him as "dim".

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Old 17th Sep 2017, 17:17
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LH is a successful British sportsman therefore it is inevitable some people will dislike him, its a quintessentially British trait which I have never been able to subscribe to.
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 17:18
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Buster15: Was he dim when he changed from MacLaren

Kelvin: Yeah. But his Dad wasn't
Hamilton sacked his father as his manager in 2010. He joined Mercedes as a driver for the 2013 season......
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 17:25
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Originally Posted by Seldomfitforpurpose View Post
LH is a successful British sportsman therefore it is inevitable some people will dislike him.......
There were a bunch of people on PPRuNe a few years back who would appear on this thread to mock and belittle Lewis Hamilton and smirk at his every misfortune.

We haven't heard much from them in recent years.
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 18:00
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
Buster15: Keep your knickers on.
Yeah. But his Dad wasn't
Re-read what I said about his driving ability
As for your last "question", refer again to his Dad.
I did read what you said about his driving ability. It was your comment that he was dim that surprised me.
If you really believe that then you should be able to back that up with examples of why he is dim. You will note that the responses to your post
Don't seem to agree with you so examples please.
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 18:41
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Renault kicks Red Bull, so they follow Toro Rosso and ask for Honda engines too.
It'll be interesting next year to see who which team has made the right decision.
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 19:15
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Stewards declare Ferrari-Red Bull clash a racing incident.
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 19:25
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Another steward cop out then.
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 22:31
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Getting to the stage where it's pointless having them there...

Still, I guess, free travel, booze and all you can eat plus the glitz with a bit of racing thrown in, why would you not take it....?
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Old 18th Sep 2017, 01:25
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I'm utterly bewildered how that happened. I don't ever recall a car just driving sideways into others - well, not that far, inasmuch as he crossed at least a 1/3rd of the track. The car in the sandwich had presumably veered away from the incoming.

It didn't seem to be power-sliding, just heading.

An expensive few moments for many.
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Old 18th Sep 2017, 02:55
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I am not a Lewis Hamilton fan, and I do not mind if he looses a race. However despite whatever I and many others think of LH, he is probably the best driver on the grid, and it's a pity, I feel he does not get the plaudits he deserves, no doubt he is one of the best drivers the last 10 years, and he would have won more if his car last season had not been so unreliable.

Let's get the facts right, he arrived on the scene and displaced Fernando Alonso who was at the top of his game, in his first season.
Alonso was not best pleased, because he was double world champion, and considered himself the number 1 driver.

Niko Rosberg after his fluke championship last season did not have the stomach to go another season against LH.

LH does it simple, and he is showing an constancy that not many other drivers have ever done in the same way.
And the way he gave back the place to Bottas some weeks ago, shows he has great sportsmanship.

Sure I don't like him, but he is one of the best drivers of all time, just because he is a playboy and enjoys life, that does not make him a bad driver.
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Old 18th Sep 2017, 07:04
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Originally Posted by Loose rivets View Post
I'm utterly bewildered how that happened. I don't ever recall a car just driving sideways into others - well, not that far, inasmuch as he crossed at least a 1/3rd of the track. The car in the sandwich had presumably veered away from the incoming.

It didn't seem to be power-sliding, just heading.
Seb got a bad start - his initial traction was non-existant and the car didn't really get going for the first 100m. Max had an even worse start, and so Seb was still in with a chance of holding the lead if he moved over to claim the line into turn 1 (which he is allowed to do) so he pulled across the track.

What he didn't know was that Kimi had gotten a blinder of a start, and was coming up the other side of Max like an express train, so where he expected Max to be pushed to the left Max actually had nowhere to go. The two Ferraris then inevitably both hit Max's front wheels, with the impact spinning Kimi's tail out and slamming his front wing into Seb's side pod (you can see a large chunk of Kimi's front wing still stuck in Seb's bargeboard until just before he spins out later on).

This left Kimi sliding sideways, damaged, and Max with front-end damage that may not have been terminal, but the sliding Kimi followed through and slammed into him from behind as he got to turn 1 and pushing him into poor Ferdi who had Also got a blinder of a start and was about to pass them on the outside.

Meanwhile Lewis had decided to just look for clear track with escape options, so he took to the right side of the track and stayed there. He got good traction and was alongside the initial crash, but clear of its effects. As Seb pulled away from the collision Lewis was actually alongside into turn 1 but wisely conceded the corner to slot in behind him rather than risk a collision.

As Seb continued down the straight it became apparent that he was haemorrhaging fluids into his left rear wheel, so his race was over. The fact that he spun off (due to the fluids on his tyre) made very little difference, but fortuitously Lewis had selected the other side so Seb didn't collect him as he spun.

...and so that left Lewis in the lead, but on a track where several of the remaining cars were thought to be more competitive. From there on it was just a Classical Hamilton Masterclass. When He's on form he's difficult to beat, which is why he is (I think) the only F1 driver who has won races in every year he's been in the class even when he's has seriously bad cars.

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Old 18th Sep 2017, 07:37
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Slightly off topic, in one sense, but who else watched Guy Martin last night taking part as pit stop crew ?

Fascinating programme and insight as to how these guys work. And the times, and training, for a wheel change, now that's some engineering feat.
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Old 18th Sep 2017, 08:33
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At least Herr Vettel can spend the remainder of the season and his winter holiday reflecting on how he has made a significant contribution to securing Mr. Hamilton's probable next world championship.
I'll bet those stewards had a cold sweat when they found out the German stock car Meister already had 7 naughty points on his licence.
I hope red car racing team's insurance is comprehensive and paid up when the bill comes in from Red Bull.
Be lucky
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Old 18th Sep 2017, 10:41
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I admire Lewis's driving skills and situational awareness. I wish, though, that someone would have a word with him about his fiddling about during the National Anthems.
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Old 18th Sep 2017, 11:38
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PDR,

I don't think Vettel actually hit the front wheel of Verstappen but squeezed him into the path of Kimi. The footage from Max's car show him slow as Vettel came across and he then got tagged as Kimi's rear wheel hit Max's front wheel. Kimi was already ahead of Max at this time and managed to collect Vettel on the way. Kimi was then off line, Max went past and got hit again by Kimi which sent him into the side of Alonso.
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