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Old 7th Dec 2011, 15:10   #41 (permalink)
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Coulthard has a contract with the BBC for 2012. I think it is a hangover from before the 'changes' involving Sky.
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I doubt I'd have watched any of next year's races, but having to watch with the sound off just adds to the certainty.

At least Dimone Hill isn't involved.

...is he?
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That'd be even more interesting if the Red Bull culture had the same effect on Alonso that McLaren did in 2007. The petulant dummy-spitting was a right old laugh and a half.

My opinion of Alonso still hasn't recovered.
Not exactly an Alonso fan here either but there is no doubt he's an incredibly gifted driver and I am pretty sure that in the other RBR car he would give SV a much better run for his money than he is currently enjoying
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Old 8th Dec 2011, 03:54   #44 (permalink)
 
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Jos comes out with some tasty bits about Schumi!

Strange that Jos Verstappen long regarded as a friend of the "Chin" has come out alleging that Schumi had some illegal software on his Benetton when they were team mates, such as "traction control software" and went on to say that his car didn't have it?

The team manager at the time as most will recall was "Flabio"

I seem to recall that Tom Walkinshaw was the Technical Director in those days.

The FIA found said software in the car but believed it was never activated?

Some say that the technology has progressed in acoustics that can now prove or disprove that Schumi did use traction control.

Lets hear your theories then?
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Old 8th Dec 2011, 05:11   #45 (permalink)
 
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Why, we've hashed over the things TCKB has been involved in countless times, stating another mini-hamsterwheel isn't going to be any good.


What is of more interest is that Austin has reached a deal with Bernard so the USGP is ON next year, Sauber has also quit FOTA, and the FIA have tweaked the rules for next year (see link)
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Old 8th Dec 2011, 08:57   #46 (permalink)

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Jos de Boss is hardly creditable as a trustworthy source although it is possible. There were rumours aplenty back then about illegal bits on most cars. Nothing different from the situation today.
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The fact is that when Schumacher indisputably didn't have traction control, he still trounced anyone in a similar car and he still trounced anyone in any car in the wet, when driver control of traction is paramount.

Having said that, in the first races of '94, Senna (presumably a good judge, if anyone was) became very suspicious of Benneton and Briatore revealed his true colours in later years. The FIA were pathetic, which is why we'll never know for certain.
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Schumacher indisputably didn't have traction control
That's news to me, it's only now he doesn't have traction control and is he trouncing anyone?
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Texas USGP Back On for 2012

It appears that the Austin, Texas USGP is back on, and all is well between the local organizers and F1 management.

It's amazing what a check (cheque) for US$25 million can do. It's the kind of good will toward man that brings a bit of a tear to the eye in this holiday season...

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Old 9th Dec 2011, 01:56   #50 (permalink)
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Speaking of a tear to the eye...

Divorce, Italian style! With Mr and Mrs Patrese...

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I enjoyed that more than she did! Good on her for having a great sense of humour.
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Stick him in a Red Bull alongside SV, that will get the best out of both the cars all season long
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Not exactly an Alonso fan here either but there is no doubt he's an incredibly gifted driver and I am pretty sure that in the other RBR car he would give SV a much better run for his money than he is currently enjoying
Obviously coming 5th behind his older and supposedly slower team mate in 2nd place as well as another rival in an even more obviously slower car in 4th place has rankled some
Most in the UK understand what happened this year though.
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In just two years, he's usurped Hamilton as McLaren's golden boy and he's been rewarded with a new 'multi-year' contract. His interest in the people around him has an empowering effect and you sense these guys would walk over hot coals for their new - shhh, say it quietly - number one.

Lewis is more aloof when he enters the room and you sense the tension. Memories of the Korean GP, when he failed to thank the team after taking pole position, are still fresh. Mechanics worked round the clock to get his car turned around between Suzuka and Yeongam, and it touched many a tired nerve when Lewis didn't acknowledge that over the radio.

Even if Jenson still lacks Lewis's ultimate one-lap pace, he's outwitting his team-mate in every other department.
Some appear to have missed the difference is that with Vettel where there are obvious team orders it is a different environment to McLaren where both drivers enjoy the same equipment and a lack of team orders.Yet the younger and more fancied (until now) finished well behind his team mate.It looks like JB is showing who is more reliable.If you want to see a dummy spit watch next year if JB once again finishes ahead of Lewis.

I think the best situation would be for Webber to be in a team which does not have a favourite as well as Ferrari to have a competitive car for Alonso as well as Kimi (if he is still as quick as he once was) in a similar car with Lotus Renault.If Lewis can emulate Jenson and the McLaren is fast out of the box then Vettel will have a fight on his hands.

If AN does design another class leading car then it will be another case of follow the leader with Vettel doing the leading at least until McLaren and the others have played catch up once again in the second half of the season.
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Renault confirm Grosjean signing | Planet F1 | Formula One News

So, where does that leave Senna and Petrov?

Petrov has huge sponsorship so might be a shoe-in at cash strapped Williams but it's hard to see where Senna might go. He's not done too badly this year but does he have enough experience to cut it with one of the also-ran teams?
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If AN does design another class leading car then it will be another case of follow the leader with Vettel doing the leading at least until McLaren and the others have played catch up once again in the second half of the season.
Lex/Red/Lobes,

And there is the real quandary for RBR at the moment. If AN does, and no doubts from me that he will, design another world beating car is it going to be financially viable to build 2 of them when realistically only one of them is going to bring them any sort of return
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So, where does that leave Senna and Petrov?

I may well be getting confused here, but doesn't that leave them in the same place, due to the shenanigans with Renault becoming Lotus among the name changes?
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may well be getting confused here, but doesn't that leave them in the same place, due to the shenanigans with Renault becoming Lotus among the name changes?
No,unfortunately both of them are out of a drive at the moment but with Williams looking for some much needed cash who knows?

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And there is the real quandary for RBR at the moment. If AN does, and no doubts from me that he will, design another world beating car is it going to be financially viable to build 2 of them when realistically only one of them is going to bring them any sort of return
Obviously someone missed the point once again.

Team Vettel don't care where Webber is in the championship as long as he doesn't get in the way of Vettel winning his next WDC.

As long as Webber does his job to give the team enough points to win the constructors title as well as the drivers title they are happy and that is what Webber is paid to do and that is exactly what Webber did.

Now if AN does his job again and Vettel/Webber do the job again all will be rosy in team Vettel.

Now,if Lewis had done his job coming something better than 5th in the WDC then McLaren might have won the constructors title instead of coming second.

With a score of 650 points for Red Bull and 497 for McLaren, Lewis let his team down.So the question you should be asking is whether it's financially viable for McLaren to give both of their drivers a good car when JB is the one doing the job,ergo the article in the F1 magazine.
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With a score of 650 points for Red Bull and 497 for McLaren, Lewis let his team down
So a 153 point gap between the teams.. Jenson - 270, Lewis 227.. 43 Pts gap..

Lewis's fault McLaren came second?? Do the math..

McLaren came second because RBR as a team were better performers over the course of the season. I'm no SV fan, but even I will concede that SV did all he had to do, i.e. keep his car in front. He put it on pole consistently and he won most races fair and square.

You can't make stupid assertions unless you work directly or indirectly on those cars and are privvy to how the team operate.. some people around here do just that..
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Old 9th Dec 2011, 14:29   #58 (permalink)
 
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Is Schumacher still set up to steal another $20m or so for continuing to do F-all in F1 for 2012?

Anyone reckon he isn't trying 100%?

I'm no diligent observer these days, but the results speak for themselves, don't they?
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Old 9th Dec 2011, 14:32   #59 (permalink)

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AA I think the point Lex was making was that Hamilton was supposed to have actually won a few more races iso sitting on the pit wall/moaning about his bird/playing dodgems. Then the points totals would have looked somewhat different.

Hoping to see Caterham emulating RB and getting some points next season.
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Old 9th Dec 2011, 14:35   #60 (permalink)

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Again (Lex/Red/Lobes)

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