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Old 3rd Apr 2017, 13:33
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Having belatedly watched a little of the Australian GP that I had recorded I noticed some cars had a rather fragile looking 'wing' or aerial behind the driver. It struck me as having 2 clever uses:

1 - an aerial to receive signals to direct the car so the driver can be relieved of the tedious repetitive routine of "driving"; while at the same time

2 - receiving the drivers pastime of choice (TV, Twitter feed, Instagram, Stock Market reports) to keep him awake through the tedium of the procession. It's probably projected onto the inside of his visor.

Damned clever these F1 engineers
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Old 3rd Apr 2017, 14:51
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Let's just first design tracks where it is easier to overtake. How many times do we hear, from the commentator, that "this track has very few overtaking possibilities."? Australia is one of them. Monaco (joke) is another. Indeed it seems the majority of tracks, outside of a DRS straight, have only 1 or 2 places in the corners where a safe realistic overtake can be accomplished. Hence so much attention being paid to pit stop strategy and tyre choice sequences. if the tracks were more encouraging, and it was a non-stop race, then the driver's abilities would be more to the fore.
I remember the days when Williams had the fastest and most reliable car and everyone wanted one: then it was Red Bull who were untouchable; now it's Mercedes. I also remember the days when Schumakker & Senna won in not the fastest cars. Driver cunning & ability.
Foremost it is entertainment, as all sport should be. Yes, it is nice to see the forefront of technology on display, but if it deters from the entertainment then blunt discussions are needed. Someone has to stand up and say, "the emperor has no clothes."
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Old 3rd Apr 2017, 14:57
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There have been several occasions when teams (notably Colin Chapman's Lotus) have introduced technical advances that have been promptly banned due to the benefit derived.
The official reasons are that the changes contravene the 'regulations' (which are open to interpretation).
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Old 3rd Apr 2017, 17:38
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Chinese Grand Prix: Antonio Giovinazzi replaces Pascal Wehrlein for second race.
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Old 3rd Apr 2017, 18:56
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solving the "racing" problem in any series can be solved in one hit....random grids.


we spend all weekend sorting the runners into fastest to slowest, then wonder why the races are so pedestrian.


a maximum of two practice sessions and then team principles have a raffle.....never happen but.......


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Old 3rd Apr 2017, 19:44
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All the drivers run one lap of the circuit then jump into their cars LeMans style.
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Old 3rd Apr 2017, 19:54
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we spend all weekend sorting the runners into fastest to slowest, then wonder why the races are so pedestrian.

Reverse the grid. Allow the teams to practice, but the grid is reversed based on the previous GP. The most exciting racing, now, is 15-20 laps to go, fastest cars are 10secs back from the leader and hammering. It's excellent suspense. This scenario is sometimes created by one team making 1 stop more than the leader, or a screwed up pit stop, or a different choice of tyres. We sometimes see it, but only at the beginning, when a fast car has to start from the back of the grid or the pit lane. Watching it slice through the field is the most exciting part of the race. We sometimes see this demonstration of driver ability in wet conditions when not on the optimum tyres. The field spreads out & then there is a tyre change. The fastest cars were late to change and end up mid-field, then they light up their wet tyres in the wet. Great to watch, but by luck.
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Old 4th Apr 2017, 01:33
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I've just been invited (along with everyone else on the Autosport email list - I thought I was off that list) to participate in a survey to "Have your say on the future of F1"

I don't know if this link will work for everyone, but here is a chance for the whingers to have their say somewhere where it might be heard.
https://f1survey.motorsport.com/?utm...899e1-57813827


Calling all F1 fans,
Over 90,000 people have already completed the Global Fan Survey about Formula 1, and if haven't made your feelings heard yet, there is still time.

The Survey – which covers many aspects of F1 – will close in one weeks’ time after the Chinese GP on Wednesday 12th April. Have your say and make your vote count.

Charles Bradley,
Motorsport.com Global Editor in Chief
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Old 4th Apr 2017, 02:07
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I've just completed the survey, and the first section is very much aimed at how they can better get to us - the consuming public. Later it deals with how F1 can be improved. This is an extract of the questions:

Part 5: The Spectacle of Formula One
31. Which five of the following words or phrases do you most strongly associate with F1?​ (maximum 5 responses​)
Accessible
Boring
Competitive
Complicated
Cool
Corrupt
Courageous
Dangerous
Dynamic
Entertaining
Exciting
Exclusive
Expensive
Glamorous
Global
Fun
Innovative
Popular
Prestigious
Retro
Successful
Technological
Threatened
World class
Youthful
None of these

Part 5: The Spectacle of Formula One
32. Formula One is constantly evaluating new ideas to help improve the spectacle of Formula One. Please rate your level of agreement with the following statements about the spectacle of Formula One? 1 is Strongly Disagree, 5 – Strongly Agree or 6 if you have no firm opinion ​
The introduction of Drag Reduction System (DRS) has improved racing
In-race refuelling should be re-introduced
Success ballast (a handicap system) for winning teams should be introduced to keep the field closer together
Tyres should be produced to de-grade more rapidly
Reverse grids should be introduced (i.e. the fastest qualifier starts at the back)
There should be more than one tyre supplier allowed
Two shorter F1 races over a weekend should be introduced
An annual Budget Cap for teams must be introduced and policed
Teams can purchase & run customer cars
Sprinkler systems should be introduced for random wet races
F1 should return to using V8 engines
An additional third-driver race should be introduced over the GP weekend
An F1 race on Saturday should be introduced for all events
Points should be awarded for Qualifying
Points should be awarded for Fastest Lap

And this was my closing comment:
F1 has suffered for too many years becoming too expensive and making a few people very rich. This has filtered down to it becoming unaffordable to attend races, and at the same time races are being held in places where I have no interest - just being 'sold' to the highest bidder. Together with boring tracks being built in these places there is just no fun and racing spectacle anymore. I would like to see the following design rules introduced: (1) a great restriction on front wing design - a simple, single plane wing with a maximum swept area and maximum sideplate area (2) a maximum of 2 aerodynamic devices on each side of the car (excluding sidepods/body construction) with a regulated maximum swept area (3) elimination of carbon-fibre brakes - revision to steel brake rotors thereby increasing braking distances
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Old 4th Apr 2017, 08:50
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Reversed grids will never be the same for me again after that famous American driver (please excuse severe memory failure of his name) lost his life carving through the field from the back.
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He was Britisher Dan Wheldon, who died in a US race in 2011
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Old 4th Apr 2017, 11:27
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The whole point of basing a grid on practice times was safety, as it carried the assumption that race pace would reflect practice time and the field would settle into race order without much overtaking.
To reverse the grid is deliberately ignoring safety to make lots of overtaking inevitable from the beginning, which would be particularly dangerous with the field still bunched-up after the start.

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Old 4th Apr 2017, 11:33
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A change to restart procedure after a safety car is that there will be a standing grid start rather than a rolling start behind the safety car.

This was rejected in 2014, but has now been accepted.
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Old 4th Apr 2017, 11:49
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Originally Posted by david1300 View Post
Having belatedly watched a little of the Australian GP that I had recorded I noticed some cars had a rather fragile looking 'wing' or aerial behind the driver. It struck me as having 2 clever uses:

1 - an aerial to receive signals to direct the car so the driver can be relieved of the tedious repetitive routine of "driving"; while at the same time

2 - receiving the drivers pastime of choice (TV, Twitter feed, Instagram, Stock Market reports) to keep him awake through the tedium of the procession. It's probably projected onto the inside of his visor.

Damned clever these F1 engineers
The "moustache wings" are the result of a mistake made when draftiung the 2017 rules. The rules divide the car into aerodynamic "zones" where particular features are permitted or prohibited. All these zones are measured from the front of the car except the rearmost one, wheich is defined by a measurement from the back of the car. The 2017 rules increased the length of the car by a few cms, but someone forgot to increas the sizes of the zones, so there is now a gap where there are no aero regulations.

The teams spotted this and have used it for various different things from simple downforce generation to more complex airflow correction/conditioning to improve the performance of the rear wing. The scuttlebut us that they're waing for the first one to fall off during a qually or race session so that they can claim they are a safety hazard and ban them.

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Old 4th Apr 2017, 17:18
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I don't like the idea of a Formula 1 'reverse grid'. The order would have to be based on the previous race finishing order (like BTCC), otherwise qualifying would be bizarre. The racing and overtaking needs to be done on the track, at the limit, flat out, on merit, not because of an artificial handicap system. Not sure what else to suggest that others haven't already mentioned.
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Old 4th Apr 2017, 18:59
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It needs to change.....

.....the rot was evident back in the Murray Walker days, when I remember him getting very excited saying "and here is where the race will be won or lost" - the pit lane!!
A year or two later David Coultard visiting the Maclaren HQ and standing outside a locked door in a computer suite, pointing and saying that this was where the race strategy was being devised "but we're not allowed in" - during the race!!
Get rid of all the telemetry and micro managing every aspect of the car's performance remotely.
You want to race matey? Get in and drive - YOU decide if you need new tyres - YOU decide if you want some fuel - YOU decide when to go in and get it.
It might be a race then.

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Old 5th Apr 2017, 06:16
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Formula One has become over technical, over rated and boring. Full stop....
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Old 5th Apr 2017, 08:52
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Get rid of all aerodynamic aids and fancy gadgets on the steering wheel, make the cars have clutches and manual gear boxes and let them sort themselves out on a few practice laps. Two qualifying laps in the morning for grid position and go racing in the afternoon.

I gave up watching the processions in the days when the German cobbler was on contracts that said he had to win. My occasional glimpses of what passes for F1 "racing" since then have not convinced me to return to watching F!.
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Old 5th Apr 2017, 10:36
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On my meagre pension I need to keep a tight rein on expenses and cannot afford to watch pay channels, unlike many of those who draw benefit. F1 is Formula One. Somebody just decide the formula and let the people watch. We'll never get a steady predictable formula in a democracy.


Having said that....


For an original idea and a bit of fun how about moving the whole right of the starting grid forward two slots at Race One, then the left side forward at Race Two, etc. Give Lady Luck a bigger hand in the results.
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Old 5th Apr 2017, 11:37
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Release the cars at ten second intervals so that they are free to race without encountering the aerodynamic effects of other cars.

It would be processional, but the time differences would keep the commentators (and the viewers) occupied working out who was where.
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