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Old 16th Sep 2016, 08:35
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Pit stops had always been a feature of Grand Prix racing. (Ferrari pit stops were often noted for their theatrical quality.) Pit stops were not something that Colin Chapman recently came up with, nor was he the first to use them tactically.

There was a very famous victory by Fangio, driving a Maserati at the Nürburgring in the 1957 German Grand Prix, that involved a tactical pit stop. Fangio took a pre-planned pit stop 30 seconds in the lead, only to have the pit stop go so badly wrong that he left the pits 30 seconds behind, in third place behind Hawthorn in first, and Collins. Fangio then set nine successive lap records to win the race.
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Old 16th Sep 2016, 11:43
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...At one point there were several tracks where a good driver could complete the race competitively on a single set of tyres. The fans deemed this "boring" and there was a highly vocal demand for compulsory pit stops so that tactics could add interest and stir up the mix a bit...

Speed limiting - each track has a maximum safe speed. The number is used in the track design for determining types of barriers, run-off areas, crowd protections etc. Whenever a formula is frozen the cars get progressively faster until the safe speed is exceeded (as illustrated by Roland Ratzenberger's tragic accident) ... There is a lot of "quiet concern" about next year's formula which, by dint of bigger tyres and the removal of the fuel-flow limit, is suggested will deliver 3-6 second reductions in lap times. These speed would break the absolute lap records on many/most circuits which may or may not have tragic consequences for those who overdo it.

DRS wasn't introduced to help in corners - it's only enabled on specific pieces of straight or near-straight track anyway. DRS is a fudge because what they *really* need to do is minimise (or delete) the foreplane so that cars can follow more closely through fast corners. There is no appetite for doing this partly because it would very much bias the race towards the best installed horsepower but mainly because it would lead to cars with much less predictable turn-in and braking characteristics, and that's deemed to be a safety issue.

Bottom line? If you don't like F1 then you a free to watch anything else, ...

And actually I happen to rather enjoy it, in case you hadn't guessed.

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This is largely opinionated rubbish. The fans were vocal in wanting more exciting RACING - the governing body introduced pit stops. Not the same thing at all

Roland R's crash does not support your contention. Just as you make an absolute statement one way without justification I can state the opposite

"Quiet concern" oh really Quiet concern never changed anything. If there was concern it would be loud and real.

Of course DRS has nothing to do with cornering. It is a DRAG REDUCTION SYSTEM - reducing drag (more effective at high speed in a straight) and enabling a car to travel more quickly through reduced drag.

Cars with less predictable turn in and braking = more driver skill needed = more exciting racing.

Bottom line - a lot of F1 fans are turning to other sports. Have a look at the crowds at the European rounds of MotoGP compared to F1. Why do you think F1 has these changes year after year? Is it because things are working No, it's because the fan base is depleting, and they can only try and grow it by going to places like Russia and other less than ideal venues.
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Old 18th Sep 2016, 10:34
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Eight place grid drop for Perez.

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Old 18th Sep 2016, 18:48
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Originally Posted by PDR1
The remainder of the season will be interesting - anyone else feel Lewis may just romp away with it from here?
I think you've jinxed him!
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Old 18th Sep 2016, 19:32
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Looks like it, but it was probably opinionated rubbish because I'm not aircrew and so not allowed to express an opinion.

I won't be bothering to post here again

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Old 18th Sep 2016, 19:58
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Can Formula One please retire the word 'job' from its vocabulary and place it in the same dustbin as the phrase 'for sure' !
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Old 18th Sep 2016, 20:45
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PDR1,

My comment was just a bit of friendly banter. Please don't refrain from posting on my account.
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Old 18th Sep 2016, 20:49
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Think he was referring to the even more "opinionated rubbish" posted by David1300 above.
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Old 18th Sep 2016, 21:08
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F1 seems to stand for First 1 off the line wins so why not just do qualifying and not bother with "The Race" ? Think of the money that would be saved,
think how much cheaper the tickets would cost.
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Old 19th Sep 2016, 14:13
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Is there a point where the death of a hero in action, to many would be seemingly preferable to hearing things like that (whether true or not) millions of us remember such a vibrant..charming and able young man..should I say a Hero to many, the future does not bode well for that champion of modern Motorsport.
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Old 19th Sep 2016, 20:41
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Old 20th Sep 2016, 02:36
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Originally Posted by PDR1 View Post
Looks like it, but it was probably opinionated rubbish because I'm not aircrew and so not allowed to express an opinion.

I won't be bothering to post here again

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Thin skin and being easily offended are 2 attributes that don't stand you well in JB

Be prepared to back up your opinions even if someone thinks they are rubbish - after all, that is only my opinion

And if you only continue to post if people agree with you, then JB definitely isn't a comfortable place for you

And I didn't see anyone 'not allowing' you to express and opinion - I just didn't think it was a very worthy opinion.

So come back - in the words of The Black Knight: It's only a flesh wound


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Old 20th Sep 2016, 06:39
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Singapore again demonstrated a sad aspect of F1. The Sky commentators made the comment that it was very difficult to overtake on the track and some teams were trying to under-cut and over take in the pits. How sad a comment on the pinnacle sport of car racing. I think there are too many tracks where this is the case: too many street circuits. Fans want to see racing and that means overtaking, challenging & defending. How many F1 overtakes are under DRS versus a cornering overtake on inside or outside. The skill & concept of setting up an overtake 3 corners prior so the outside becomes the inside is not too common. If one compares the number of overtakes per race among the first 6 racers in F1, GP2, GP3, DTM, BTC, MotoGP 1-2-3 per race, one might surmise that F1 is rather convoy like. Cold the problem lie in track design? Some tracks seems quite narrow. TV commentators often make the comment about how difficult it is to overtake on this track or that. Let's get back to more racing & less circus. Are street circuits for F1 real F1 racing? It must be very exciting for fans to be close up to the atmosphere of F1. An astonishing experience, but is it what F1 is really all about? DRS was to create more overtaking, but then you need long enough straights for it to work. Overtaking due to driver skill in a sequence of corners is more exciting and more real racing. Redesign of some tracks is necessary. We all know the tracks that are more exciting than others. Too many boring tracks.
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Old 20th Sep 2016, 06:46
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Spot On Rat........
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Street circuits have been part of motor racing since the time there was nothing else but have mostly been superceded by purpose-built tracks. Monte Carlo is the surviving urban street job and Spa-Francorchamps is just about recognisable as a development of its original existence as closed rural roads. In both cases the original townscape/landscape is visible all round the lap but Singapore seems to be little more than a tunnel between crash barriers with no evidence of human habitation.
The history of motor racing includes seasons where major manufacturers built their cars to cope with the circuits they were to race on - e.g. Daimler-Benz streamliners for Reims in 1954 and open-wheelers for Monte Carlo in 1955 and even Vanwall used a short nose at Monte in 1957 after previous difficulty with the more aerodynamic original.
As I keep banging on, I believe there are too many rules these days and in particular there are design rules of such detail that engineering enterprise counts for little. Mention of DRS reminds us that moveable aerodynamic devices were prohibited a long time ago, but once you allow them at all, why not go the whole hog and just permit them. Current cornering speeds depend on huge negative lift which carries a huge induced drag consequence but in the same way that brakes are not used untill the car needs to slow, a lot of the downforce which is only needed during braking and cornering could be shed on any straight (a good bit is needed for traction of course).

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Old 20th Sep 2016, 09:48
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Well it seems the Daily Rags here in the GB are putting the "little Fella's" bad form down to serious multi day partying with his similar pals "Brothers of another Mother" in the USof A, seems he jets off straight away and only gets back just in time to start the practice..

If that is true, then why dont the Merc team bosses squeeze his arm a little..or are they wanting their own German Driver to be the Champ..?
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Old 20th Sep 2016, 10:09
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Lewis's bad form in the last three races was down to penalties [not bad form] a bad start [bad form] and a serious lack of practice in order to set the car up. Not his fault, and not 'bad form'. Perhaps people need reminding that this year, he won six races out of seven, and oh, he has been World Champion three times. Personally, I think at his age, and all his achievements, he is entitled to do as he pleases with his spare time. Why are we Brits always so negative about brilliant achievements!!!!.
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Old 20th Sep 2016, 12:27
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Jem,

I was not knocking the little Fella, but he was very subdued at the end of race interview and seemed not really bothered about what he was saying, of course you are right he can please himself, but his attitude ..to me dose seem to have become more laid back than ever, yes he won six from seven..but we "His Fans" do want enough wins to get him in the big chair at the end of this seasons races..Nowt wrong with that..!
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Old 21st Sep 2016, 01:22
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Jem, perhaps he is being moaned at because people want him do much better and not waste
his talent? His career won't last for ever and I am sure that lots of us ordinary folk hate seeing really
gifted people waste the talent that us plebs would give our right leg for ( figuratively of course ).
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