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Old 5th Oct 2014, 11:39
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they were still under yellow & the Safety car hadn't deployed. What are the rules governing recovery?
Surely Race control must authorise its access to the track?
Most circuits use standard construction vehicles as used on farms and building sites (except places such as Monaco where fixed cranes are needed).

There is, now, a question of whether recovery vehicles should be allowed on track during racing (though waved double yellows are usually displayed).

On the one hand, most removals take place quickly and safely.

In this case leaving Sutil's car would have been preferable - though Bianchi crashed at the exact same spot and would have hit Sutil's car (and any marshals attending).
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They couldn't bear to simply say Rosberg Wins.
What a coincidence. They couldn't say it after the actual race either.
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Old 5th Oct 2014, 13:53
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Originally Posted by henry_crun View Post
Very sad incident. I think the race organisers should not have allowed the race to start, whatever the promoter said.
It's easy to be wise with hindsight.

The weather was pretty minging at the beginning of the race, and starting behind the Safety Car was probably a good call, but the rain cleared up and the drivers pretty quickly switched to Intermediates, so the track was perfectly driveable.
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BBC News - F1's Jules Bianchi suffers head injury at Japanese Grand Prix
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Originally Posted by henry crun
Andy - you missed my point
Which was?
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Old 5th Oct 2014, 18:21
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Old 5th Oct 2014, 20:37
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There is, now, a question of whether recovery vehicles should be allowed on track during racing (though waved double yellows are usually displayed).
Can you imagine what would have happened at Monza if they'd left Alonso's car where he pulled off, when Kvyat (I think) had brake issues and went flying through that same spot?
While I don't want to blame the victim here, there is a reason why drivers are supposed to slow down for a yellow flag. My first thought when I was watching the race live was that a track worker had been hurt rather than a driver (and I still think they were fortunate that no track workers were injured as well).
Submarining is among a race driver's greatest fears - I had a friend killed in a racing accident back in the 80's when he submarined a guard rail.
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BBC News - F1's Jules Bianchi suffers head injury at Japanese Grand Prix

BBC Sport - Jules Bianchi undergoes surgery after Japanese Grand Prix crash
There was a remarkably similar incident at Suzuka 20 years ago, when McLaren driver Martin Brundle spun off a couple of hundred metres further along the track from Bianchi's incident.
At the time, Brundle narrowly missed a tractor unit, and he has talked since that he thought it might be curtains for him.
Instead, he hit and badly injured a marshal, who was recovering the car of another driver who had gone off a few minutes earlier.
From (and more at):- BBC Sport - Jules Bianchi: What lessons can F1 learn from Japan crash?
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Good, thoughtful article here:
BBC Sport - Jules Bianchi: What lessons can F1 learn from Japan crash?
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I have just seen footage of the Jules Bianchi. Horrifying, The tractor was reversing back with Sutils car strapped upin the air, Bianchi comes straight in and under the rear of the tractor lifting the back up and destroying the Marussia from the intake hoop back. with at least 50% of the car going under the back of the tractor.
I suppose with the counterweight of Sutils car Jules was lucky as it pushed the tractor back up very high.
I am still suprised Jules is hanging on and was not killed outright.

Want to add, had the tractor not been there then he may well have managed to get through the gap and into the concrete wall behind!

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Old 6th Oct 2014, 17:44
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Under a green waved flag as well. Double yellows alternated for green before tractor was clear. Very dubious and suspect FIA will investigate this

Hope Bianchi pulls through.
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Old 6th Oct 2014, 18:03
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First Video Of Jules Bianchi Crash Shows How Violent The Impact Was
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Old 6th Oct 2014, 20:28
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He was 'motoring'!
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Old 6th Oct 2014, 21:43
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Holy crap! How much energy would it take to lift & push back that JCB? Admittedly, it was counterbalanced but still...wow.
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Does seem to have been cracking on for waved yellows.

I hope he recovers.

I also hope that the FIA see this for what it is, a freak accident, and do not have a knee jerk reaction in the name of safety.
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I've just watched a rerun of the race, and it seems that several drivers had switched to full wets - presumably because of aquaplaning?

The commentators remarked that once the surface water reached a certain level, the intermediates wouldn't cope and aquaplaning would happen - presumably what caught out Bianchi - unable to brake or turn . . .
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Holy , that's a big hit .
Race drivers like to claim you speed up when you hit wet grass - obviously that's physically impossible, but the coefficient of friction of wet grass must be pretty close to zero because it sure feels like you speed up
Hard to know what happened initially without any video, but I suspect he hit the water running over the track and hydroplaned off, almost before he knew what has happening. After that, on the wet grass, he was pretty much along for the ride
I wonder if he saw the waving yellows - with the poor visibility and the level of focus required to drive in those conditions it wouldn't surprise me if he missed the yellows..
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He would have had a dashboard display showing the yellows.
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