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Old 7th Sep 2014, 19:27
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I caught the race off Bein HD, with a couple of very agitated commentators. Problem was, they were agitated in Arabic of which I don't understand much beyond 'shukran' and 'insh' Allah'.

Post-race interview with Bottas confirmed Magnussen had not hit him, nor did Bottas find Magnussen's actions to be anything worth a negative comment. He's fighting for position, and have no obligation to turn down the wack and let the guy behind him pass unimpeded. Which is exactly the same Alonso said following the race at Spa where Magnussen got a 20-second penalty for 'forcing another driver off the track'. Codswallop of the highest order.

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You don't dig Lewis Hamilton, we get it. But please try to inject just a modicum of reason in your arguments, lest you be taken for a biased fool. I don't care one way or the other for him, but I do find his driving style to be one of the more interesting to watch. He's got immense speed and an instinct for overtaking that is unmatched in F1. That's what I like to see, and I dare say so does the majority of race fans. But with the emotions displayed here by what is supposedly his home crowd, small wonder the guy decided to up sticks and seek (tax) sanctuary in Switzerland.

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I've seen interviews with him plenty of times on the Beeb, and he always comes across as a well-spoken and polite gentleman. He's also a born racer with a strong sense of history; the piece Jeremy Clarkson did with him when he got a spin in Senna's McLaren is testament to that.
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Old 7th Sep 2014, 19:43
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What, am I suggesting a fix ?

That was my immediate thought.
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Old 7th Sep 2014, 19:44
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You don't dig Lewis Hamilton, we get it.

Well SMT member, you just proved my belief that anyone here can draw any conclusions from anything one writes. For the record, I think Hamilton is a superb driver, I think he demonstrated that today, and he well deserved his win. And I don't believe I wrote anything in my previous post that would suggest I felt any differently.

Go on, twist that statement, I dare you !
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Old 7th Sep 2014, 21:31
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I was having a dig at your suggestion, which now seems to have a very ironic undertone, that Mercedes GP deliberately made Nico go off the track to hand Lewis the win.

Which just goes to prove, I guess, that can be difficult to gauge the intention of an ironic post without a liberal spraying of emoticons.

My other readymade excuse is that English only happens to be my 3rd language
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Old 8th Sep 2014, 05:35
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My wife alleges it's my second language.

I notice UK media making same suggestions about Rosbergs suspicious "mistake" this morning.
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Old 8th Sep 2014, 05:43
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Lewis was just faster today. Even starting off the wrong foot with that technical issue with the start mode, he very quickly displayed superior speed. What was Nico to do?

Nico really only ever had three choices:
1) Drive as fast as possible and try to out pace Lewis. (and avoiding a row)
2) Just pull over and let Lewis by. (the conspiracy theory?)
3) Prevent Lewis passing by any means. (blocking, running him wide etc...)

Option 3)
Lewis might be able to get away with that if he were in front, but given the company sponsored embarrassing public humiliation following the row at Spa, Nico would not likely retain his position at Merc.

Option 2)
It must have occurred to Nico. What Nico did do could even be interpreted as such by some, though I think he just over-drove the car in a last-ditch effort to retain the lead.

Option 1)
Probably the most reasonable of options to a racer in Nico's present circumstance. Drive as fast as able, hope for the best. Don't risk your job in a confrontation with your fellow team driver, but don't just lay down either. When Lewis makes his move, don't defend too aggressively. I suspect this was Nico's plan, but he just over-cooked the entry into the turn as he had done earlier and had to take the escape route to save his car and preserve a podium finish for the team.

As for Lewis' comments regarding getting in Nico's head and applying pressure, that's colorful hyperbole even it if may have a ring of truth to it. (good hyperbole usually does) Of course such comments add intrigue to a compelling story and raise the drama level and therefore interest in the public arena. Goes nicely with the silly season rumors. Well done PR advisers!

It really is a pretty close competition between the two Merc drivers. Lewis with superior speed more often than Nico, but not decidedly so and not at every venue. Nico with somewhat fewer reliability issues and equally as opportunistic as Lewis.

Let's just hope they're allowed to really race at some point, free of recriminations. I hate to think the whole thing could be stage managed by Merc just so they can win the constructor's title by 500 points instead of 300. (a little exaggeration on my part) I know it goes against the "everything is for the team" concept, but once the constructor title is a lock, let the boys race!


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Old 8th Sep 2014, 15:05
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Getting away from the endless Lewis/Nico thread.
Isn't it nice to see Ricciardos entheusiasm and joy, he seems such an unaffected person, and a damn good driver too!

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Old 8th Sep 2014, 15:39
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Old 8th Sep 2014, 15:44
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Be nice to see red bull up to merc pace and a four driver free for all.. With Williams in the mix with that straight line speed. Not gonna happen this season alas .. I can see it being decided in the ludicrous double points last race when one of the Mercs breaks down
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Old 8th Sep 2014, 16:07
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Originally Posted by fleigle View Post
Getting away from the endless Lewis/Nico thread.
Isn't it nice to see Ricciardos entheusiasm and joy, he seems such an unaffected person, and a damn good driver too!
I agree. it'll be interesting, though, to see how he develops if he gets himself into a position whereby he has a realistic shot at the WDC. Right now he can afford to be all smiles because he's exceeding expectations while the stakes are modest, but you've only got to look at the two current WDC contenders to realise how quickly things can turn nasty.
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Old 8th Sep 2014, 18:12
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Andy, I agree, when Vettel first showed up I was quite happy with his behavior, then he became the usual arrogant tosser.
It is quite nice to see Vettel getting bested by an Australian.
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Old 8th Sep 2014, 22:39
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Kvyat must have difficulty getting into the cockpit. Took some balls controlling that slide after a brake failure
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Old 8th Sep 2014, 23:22
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Did you see the Marshalls clearing out behind the barrier.... smart move !!!
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Old 9th Sep 2014, 07:24
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Originally Posted by fleigle View Post
....when Vettel first showed up I was quite happy with his behavior, then he became the usual arrogant tosser.
Actually, considering he turned from a multiple WDC to an also-ran virtually overnight, and is now being out performed by a younger teammate, I think SV's behavior has been pretty dignified. I remember the big bear hug he gave Ricciardo after his first victory in Canada; didn't appear to me to be the actions of a man having a big sulk......
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Old 9th Sep 2014, 15:06
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I admit I've liked Vettel from pretty early on, but the most impressive thing I've seen him do wasn't on the race track. Last year, at the race where he wrapped up the WDC (don't recall off hand where), after the race he help his crew pack their stuff so they could get done and get to the celebration sooner.
I know of no other driver who has done something like that - and not exactly he actions of "the usual arrogant tosser".
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Sorry, I wasn't precise enough in my description of SV time-wise, what I meant was after got the championship the first couple of times THEN he started acting like the tosser.
However, lately he is just subdued.
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Michael Shumacher leaves hospital for home, I wish him all the very best.

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Old 10th Sep 2014, 08:46
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As expected, Luca Di Montezemolo has stepped down.
He was seen saying goodbye at Monza.

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23 years and 14 World championships.

Di Montezemolo said at the Italian Grand Prix that reports he was to step down later this year were premature.

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