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Old 2nd Mar 2012, 10:33
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I don't know if it's true or not but the story I read also said that BE gets $25 million himself or his company for Melbourne to hold the rights to have the race.

Not a bad little effort is it if it's true and we all know that what we read in the papers is not always the truth or accurate.But if it's true that he makes $25 million per race then 20 races in 2012 gives him or his company $500 million. That can't be right could it?
Apart from the fact that 25 x 20 = 500, I very much doubt it's anything like that.



He probably rakes in way more than a measly $500 million.
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For those that can receive BBC:- BBC Sport - Day two of pre-season testing in Barcelona


after two hours, here's how they stand:
Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:23.447 18 laps
Romain Grosjean Lotus 1:23.528 15
Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso 1:24.260 16
Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1:24.663 18
Lewis Hamilton McLaren 1:24.709 13
Nico Hulkenberg Force India 1:24.995 15
Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 1:26.340 18
Kamui Kobayashi Sauber 1:27.155 20
Heikki Kovalainen Caterham 1:28.657 10
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But if it's true that he makes $25 million per race then 20 races in 2012 gives him or his company $500 million.
Apart from the fact that 25 x 20 = 500
Hey,thanks for confirming my maths
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So this is how they finished:-
Romain Grosjean Lotus 1:22.614 seconds 124 laps
Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso 1:23.126 31
Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 1:23.36185 85
Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:23.447 125
Heikki Kovalainen Caterham 1:23.828 104
Kamui Kobayashi Sauber 1:23.836 77
Nico Hulkenberg Force India 1:23.893 33
Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1:23.978 79
Lewis Hamilton McLaren 1:24.111 65
Bruno Senna Williams 1:24.925 48
Pastor Maldonado Williams 1:25.801 20
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Not a bad little effort is it if it's true and we all know that what we read in the papers is not always the truth or accurate.But if it's true that he makes $25 million per race then 20 races in 2012 gives him or his company $500 million.That can't be right could it?
The "price" varies from venue to venue, with Monaco paying a big, fat ZERO, Belgium paying €22.5 million, Bahrain paying $40 million, Valencia at €21.5 million, and, I think, Abu Dhabi pays $50 million, meaning the hosting fees ALONE netted Formula One Group in excess of $500 million in 2011 alone.

What you don't realise is that FOG gets ALL the advertising revenue, ALL the TV revenue, ALL the money from official sponsors (obviously not team sponsors) AND ALL the corporate hospitality money. The tracks get the ticket revenue and a percentage from food/drink, souvenirs, etc sold, as well as revenue from parking and camping sites. Add in other costs like temporary stands, etc, for "street" circuits like Albert Park and you see why the majority of races get subsidised by the taxpayers to some extent.
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Bernie is a clever ****

When you consider that he created this empire from 'nothing' . . .
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Day three.

BBC Sport - Day three of pre-season testing in Barcelona

So here is how they stand at the lunch break:
Sergio Perez Sauber 1:22.094 49
Daniel Ricciardo Toro Rosso 1:22.155 50
Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:22.413 48
Paul di Resta Force India 1:22.446 45
Bruno Senna Williams 1:22.480 36
Heikki Kovalainen Caterham 1:22.630 44
Mark Webber Red Bull 1:22.662 46
Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1:22.932 63
Jenson Button McLaren 1:23.409 17
Kimi Raikkonen Lotus 1:25.620 17
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BBC F1 technical analyst Gary Anderson:-
"We've had our first glimpse of the new parts on the Red Bull and it's effectively a completely new car. The chassis is the same, I'm sure, but there's a new front wing and a completely redesigned underfloor and coke-bottle area at the back. The exhaust exits are fairly far forward but there is a down-feeding duct behind them and an inlet on the top of the floor. It seems they're trying to get the exhaust flow down into that inlet to feed the diffuser."
"The first impressions are that the Red Bull is a really nicely detailed car - there are ducts and bits and pieces everywhere. It's a very complicated bodywork set-up and it will take some more looking at to understand what's going on. Ferrari also look like they've done some more work on that exhaust exit area - but I understand they have new bodywork and engine cover coming that will change it all again. Everyone seems to be working hard on that area in an attempt to try to emulate what they got from the exhaust-blown diffusers last year."

From:- autosport.com - Photo Gallery: Barcelona Formula One testing II (2012)

(More pictures on the above link.)
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Reading the BBC updates, Ferrari look like they are in serious trouble with the new car. All the hallmarks of the infamous Mansell McLaren.

Edited to add that Hulkenberg is in the 1.22s (fastest at the moment) on MEDIUM tyres. The Force India looking very consistent on the longer stints. I reckon they are easily "best of the rest" on current showing.

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BBC Sport - Final day of F1 pre-season testing in Barcelona

Here's how they stand at the half-way point:-
Kimi Raikkonen Lotus 1:22.030 41 laps
Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:22.250 61
Bruno Senna Williams 1:22.296 53
Nico Hulkenberg Force India 1:22.312 45
Kamui Kobayashi Sauber 1:22.386 56
Lewis Hamilton McLaren 1:22.430 60
Vitaly Petrov Caterham 1:22.795 43
Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1:22.939 57
Daniel Ricciardo Toro Rosso 1:23.393 53
Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 1:23.608 15

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Reading the BBC updates, Ferrari look like they are in serious trouble with the new car. All the hallmarks of the infamous Mansell McLaren.
It's only testing, it, in reality, means diddly.


Look at today's times, with Kimi setting the fastest time of the whole test in the Renault (yes, it is effectively still a Renault). Do you REALLY think that they will be challenging for the title or be ahead of the Red Team at the end of the Aus GP (crashes and failures not counted, we're talking about them all reaching the chequered flag)? Do you think they will be ahead of the Red Bulls or McLarens?

No, because nobody knows what sort of revs these guys are running, nobody knows the weights, nobody knows the fuel loads. It's only testing, it means nothing as each and every team has it's own programme to follow and the cars ain't as "equal" as they will be in Melbourne...
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BBC Sport - Kimi Raikkonen pips Fernando Alonso in final test
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I find it amusing that conventional wisdom states that the changes to the Red Bull rear end are an upgrade package.. has it occurred to anyone that this may be a "recovery" package?? Perhaps correcting something that RBR have found to be a major problem??
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I find it amusing that conventional wisdom states that the changes to the Red Bull rear end are an upgrade package.. has it occurred to anyone that this may be a "recovery" package?? Perhaps correcting something that RBR have found to be a major problem??
I don't think that many people are looking at it as an upgrade but it doesn't mean that it's a 'recovery' package either.
"We've had our first glimpse of the new parts on the Red Bull and it's effectively a completely new car," technical analyst Gary Anderson told BBC Sport.
It could be that the first car was plan 'A' and this is plan 'B' and they want to see what difference there is between the two.From the sounds of it,the new car is exactly that and a guy like AN has probably more than a few ideas floating around in his head to get around the changes to the exhaust system for this year.I don't think AN went back to the drawing board and designed a new car in a few weeks and then had it built.

It's also not as though the first car was a failure in terms of the times set in testing either.

Last year McLaren did a recovery car when they copied the Red Bull exhaust system.This new Red Bull car has a similar exhaust to the Sauber but there apparently is a lot more to it than just the exhaust.

It will be interesting to see if McLaren stays with their current front section as opposed to the stepped down nose on the other cars was well.

The real answers will be known in Melbourne.Hopefully one team will not walk away with it like last year.A four or five way team race to the end of the season would be fun wouldn't it?
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A four or five way team race to the end of the season would be fun wouldn't it?
As a race fan in general terms, there are a number of things I'm hoping to see this year..

1. Schumacher back on the top step.

2. Hamilton finally proves his reputation as the fastest driver in F1 is well founded.

3. Kimi shows he has re-discovered his motivation and puts in a strong show.

4. Alonso further cements his reputation as a true "Great".

5. Vettel to dispel lingering doubts over the "Talent Vs Car advantage" argument.

6. Button to provide another serious tilt at the title, again proving he is one of F1's elite.

7. Di Resta, Rosberg and Senna to take a big stride forward in terms of turning potential into results.

8. A return to form from Williams.. too long in the wilderness for such a great team.

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Wondering.. How long will Force India last?

With his airline empire crumbling around him and its bank-accounts frozen by the Indian government, will VJ's other interests continue to support his F1 team?

If I was one of the many Kingfisher staff who has not been paid for almost 4 months I would be well hacked-offseeing him sitting smugly in the pit-lane overseeing his £multi-million weekend toy...
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So, are the finances of Tony Fernandes of Caterham (Air Asia) still sound?

In 2010, Forbes Asia valued Fernandes' personal wealth at $400 million.

According to Forbes, Vijay Mallya's personal wealth is estimated to be $1.4 billion.
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talkpedlar,

Paul Stoddart (aka Minardi aka European Aviation) all over again
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Old 5th Mar 2012, 12:38
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Originally Posted by Alloa Akbar View Post
As a race fan in general terms, there are a number of things I'm hoping to see this year..

1. Schumacher back on the top step.

2. Hamilton finally proves his reputation as the fastest driver in F1 is well founded.

3. Kimi shows he has re-discovered his motivation and puts in a strong show.

4. Alonso further cements his reputation as a true "Great".

5. Vettel to dispel lingering doubts over the "Talent Vs Car advantage" argument.

6. Button to provide another serious tilt at the title, again proving he is one of F1's elite.

7. Di Resta, Rosberg and Senna to take a big stride forward in terms of turning potential into results.

8. A return to form from Williams.. too long in the wilderness for such a great team.

Agree with all that. One thing missing though: Now the BBC has relinquished half of the races and you are forced to pay for Sky Sports will the interest in Formula 1 be the same this year? I for one am not paying for Sky Sorts just to watch all of the Formula 1.
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I don't have Sky.

I will listen on BBC Radio 5 Live (or Sports Extra online).
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