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Old 27th Oct 2013, 23:10
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I think any Ferrari driver will have people waving flags with his name on it.
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Old 28th Oct 2013, 13:46
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I watched a broadcast yesterday interviewing Eddie Irvine about Schumacher and Ferrari, and whether he (Irvine) was signed as a de-facto Number 2, Irvine denied, instead insisting Schuey was one hell of a racing driver, and that Ferrari knew that even in a crap car, Schuey would still get the job done.

For the "purists" insisting that the likes of Fangio were a class apart, lets not forget that Fangio himself wasn't averse to a team switch if it meant he was in the fastest car..

Like him or hate him, Vettel is the current benchmark and RBR the Team to beat.. No point moaning about it, the fact remains.
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Old 28th Oct 2013, 13:48
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The plaudits should go to Adrian Newey, he is responsible for the wins. There are other drivers who could have won the title in the RedBull, but no other engineers as good as Newey.
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Old 28th Oct 2013, 14:58
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The plaudits should go to Adrian Newey, he is responsible for the wins. There are other drivers who could have won the title in the RedBull, but no other engineers as good as Newey.
Perhaps, but remember when we thought Webber was a pretty hot stuff driver, capable of winning the championship? Then Vettel joined the team

One of the talking heads on the USA coverage used to work at Benneton during the Schumacher years. He's been speculating that Newey's designs require rather specific driving styles to be effective - and that Vettel can readily adapt to whatever is needed, Webber not so much....

Vettel has also done something that no one else has even come close to doing - he won a race in a Toro Yugo, err, I mean Toro Rosso
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Old 28th Oct 2013, 15:04
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Vettel has also done something that no one else has even come close to doing
This was pretty close..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WhodwQ5UcU
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Old 28th Oct 2013, 16:57
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One of the talking heads on the USA coverage used to work at Benneton during the Schumacher years. He's been speculating that Newey's designs require rather specific driving styles to be effective - and that Vettel can readily adapt to whatever is needed
The other thing to remember is that when the team devise a particular strategy, itís up to the driver to make that strategy work. Not all drivers are able to do that, even in the best cars. Sebastian Vettel can, though. In fact he does it time and time again.

Yesterday was a classic example. I wasnít at all sure that RB had made a good call in qualifying SV on a fast but fragile tyre, and I certainly didnít expect to see him in as early as lap 3. Yet from 16th or 17th place he drove a blinder, not just winning the race, but winning it with plenty to spare. Iím not sure there are too many other current drivers who could have done that, even in a Red Bull.
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Old 28th Oct 2013, 18:17
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Red Bull Racing wins 2013 Formula 1 World Championship | Racecar Engineering
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Old 29th Oct 2013, 09:04
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From the Guardian today, Who can stop Sebastian Vettel making it five F1 titles in a row?. Find myself agreeing with each name and the comments. My intuition is either Hamilton, who on form is peerless, or Alonso, who can win with a dog of a car so with something decent could be unstoppable.
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Old 29th Oct 2013, 10:03
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When you start to look at drivers and their respective talents, I'm of the following view;

1. Alonso - Unquestionable ability, but fragile state of mind, doesn't play well with others, and can be psyched out by team mate performance. If he thought Lewis gave him a hard time in '07, wait til he gets a load of Kimi.

2. Hamilton - Frighteningly fast, but again, fragile mentally. Needs to grow up and retain the speed.

3. Vettel - Not flash, down to earth, methodical and reliable. Has speed, has brains, has a great car.

4. Raikkonnen - I think the Iceman will give Alonso a torrid time at Ferrari and not give a flying rats arse about doing so.. More to the point I don't think Ferrari will be too upset about it either. On his day, as fast and as good as anyone.

I have a better insight at RBR than most, and I can tell you this much, Vettel is very well liked at all levels in that team, much more so than MW, and not just for his photographic memory in being able to recount every corner of every lap in every post race de-brief. SV makes a point of getting to know as many people as he can, he walks into RBR and chats to everyone as if they are his mate, is happy to sign autographs etc, turn up at the Xmas party and mingle with EVERYONE, and has an incredible memory for faces and names. In other words he makes everyone he talks to feel like they are important to him. You can say what you like about him being private, arrogant, finger waving or whatever, but take it from me - To those who know, meet and work with the guy, he is a true class act, and you will not find anyone at RBR who has a bad word to say about the lad.

PS - I am a Hamilton fan myself..

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Old 29th Oct 2013, 10:26
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My intuition is either Hamilton, who on form is peerless, or Alonso, who can win with a dog of a car so with something decent could be unstoppable.
I agree.

RB and Vettel have been so dominant in the latter half of the season that people seem to have forgotten that outcome of the WDC wasnít always so inevitable. Back in the summer, Mercedes looked to be very nearly a match for the RB, with Lewis Hamilton on great form and looking like he might be able to reel Vettel in. In fact the fading away of Mercedes challenge is one of the seasons mysteries for me. Did they decide to focus on next seasons car? If so, I think Hamilton is the most likely to mount a challenge.

While Fernando Alonso is, IMO, the equal of Vettel in driving ability, Ferrari are not the force they once were. He has shown that he can wring 110% out of inferior machinery, but I get the feeling that his head is not in the right place at the moment, and unless Ferrari can reverse their decline Iím not sure heíll be up for it. Plus, of course, heíll have a new teammate next season who wonít roll over. Even so, I think Alonso is the only other driver out there who has any chance of keeping Vettel honest.

ps. Alloa Akbar's comments reinforce my own perception of SV. Yes, he's frighteningly competitive behind the wheel, but out of the car he comes across as a genuinely likeable and down to earth man. I know Mark Webber has his fans, but he always struck me as being a bit, well, prickly....
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Old 29th Oct 2013, 11:06
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Ross Brawn to leave Mercedes.

BBC Sport - Ross Brawn to leave Mercedes at the end of the current F1 season
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Old 29th Oct 2013, 15:19
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Before the day is out I fully expect LH to take the full blame for this
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Old 29th Oct 2013, 16:23
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EJ has stated that Ross Brawn isn't finished yet at Mercedes and Lauda will persuade him to stay on.
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Old 29th Oct 2013, 16:32
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At the moment too many chiefs at Mercedes.
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Old 30th Oct 2013, 03:48
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Many of my US racing buddies (yes, the handle is real - I'm a non-professional race driver - meaning I pay to race rather than getting paid to race ) hate Vettel because he displaced the great USA hope Scott Speed when he came into Toro Rosso. While I was pulling for Speed to be successful (I know and used to race against his father), the bottom line is he looked mediocre in a mediocre car. Vettel came in and immediately looked competitive in that same mediocre car, even managing to win a race in it.

Personally, I like the genius that I see in Vettel and I've been rooting for him since the Toro Yugo (whoops, did it again ) I mean Toro Rosso days. And make no mistake, we are watching driving genius.
It's not realistic to compare drivers across generations - the necessary driver skills today are far too different than they were 15 years ago, never mind 50 years ago. And there will always be the question of 'best car', unless the two best drivers of the time are in the same car (which rarely happens - Prost/Lauda and Prost/Senna coming to mind).

Years from know, we're going to look back on this as the same magic that some of us were privileged to see in superior drivers like Jimmy Clark, Alain Prost, Jackie Stewart, Aryton Senna, and Michael Schumacher (the only reason I don't include Fangio is that he was before my time ).

There is no question, love him or hate him, Vettel is something special behind the wheel. He's now won four consecutive championships, before the age at which Prost won his first race

Next year is going to be something of a crap shoot with new engines and new car. Even the best car may not help if the engine is crap (and visa-versa). But if I was betting money, it would still be on the genius of Vettel and Newey.
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Old 30th Oct 2013, 22:13
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From Pitpass.com

As Romain Grosjean, already under attack from Felipe Massa, struggled to pass teammate Kimi Raikkonen, whose tyres were clearly shot to pieces, the Finn had no intention of surrendering his position without a fight.

As the team watched its French driver pushed off the track and the two actually touching, it all got a bit too much for Trackside Operations Director, Alan Permane, who visualised his team leaving the Buddh International Circuit with nothing.

"Kimi, get out of the f**ing way," shouted the Englishman.

"Don't f**ing shout at me," was the Iceman's response.

"Romain was two seconds per lap faster than Kimi at that time," said Boullier, explaining the fiery exchange, "so it was not even a team order. By asking Kimi to let Romain pass, we just made the obvious choice, as Massa could have stolen our podium.

"With hindsight, this radio message could have been sent in a less emotional way," he admitted. "There was a lot of tension, a lot of potential technical problems, and some of the words that flew around were simply not appropriate. I know that quite a few people were surprised and I can only apologise for that on behalf of the team. It wonít happen again."

It's understood, but denied, that since Raikkonen announced his move to Ferrari, his relationship with the team has become frosty, to say the least.

Nonetheless, claims that during Sunday's exchange, Raikkonen also said; 'you can tell that f***ing f***er Alonso that he's in for plenty of this f***ing s**t next year so he'd better be f***ing prepared' remain unconfirmed.
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Old 31st Oct 2013, 06:57
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A very interesting look inside a V10 F1 engine and at some of the other engineering in an F1 car:
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Raikonen bumped to the back of the grid, as the front floor deflected more than 5mm vertically when the load was applied vertically.

Raiko i also threatening not to drive the last races, as Lotus has not paid him at all in 2013.
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Old 3rd Nov 2013, 04:51
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Lotus has not paid him at all in 2013.
I heard this mentioned during qualifying. They mentioned that the figure was around 15 million. Whether Euros or dollars that's allot of cabbage! A strange situation Kimi is in. If he doesn't drive, collection of his money may be put in jeopardy due to him breaching a contract that Lotus may have already breached through non-payment. I doubt he wishes to see the matter settled in a court, where such matters often go sideways and legal costs end up consuming a good part of the money anyway. In any case Kimi has next season to concern himself with and I doubt this distraction does anything positive for anyone. Come on Lotus, pay what you owe! There's certainly a good case to made that Lotus would be far less competetive than they are without the services of one Kimi Raikkonen.

I read that Bernie "feels bad" for Kimi not getting paid. Maybe you'll cover the Lotus debt to Kimi then Bernie? Ahh, didn't think so!

Only a few hours to the race now. Any bets on who makes it through turn one with the lead? Two Red Bulls in the overrun? I for one am looking forward to seeing what happens. Enjoy the race all, there's still plenty to be settled further back in the pack as well.

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I wonder if Eric Boullier has picked up any of his pay checks this year?
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