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Old 14th Oct 2013, 06:54
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But if he had braked at the point so he could have stayed on track, he wouldn't have made the pass.

A soon as he did it, I said he would have to give the place back. A few seconds later, the commentators agreed with me. The stewards (who have all the data as well as many more TV views) agreed too. You are outvoted 3 to 1!

And yes, he has had a pretty good season; it will be nice to see what he can do in 2014 with a better car.
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Old 14th Oct 2013, 08:21
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"Vettel has just tagged the Mercedes rear tyre, a car length not quite clear. Vettel was lucky not to get serious front wing damage."

I thought at the time how lucky he was and had the thought that if it had been Mark Webber it would probably have destroyed
his front wing.
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Old 14th Oct 2013, 09:43
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That drive-through for Riccardo was total bullsh1t !!,
Bollox. If he'd given the place back he wouldn't have had it. Cut all the corners like that and you could save 15 seconds a lap
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Old 14th Oct 2013, 09:55
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Its a pretty simple rule, if the driver gains an advantage through leaving the track boundaries (All 4 wheels) then he gives the place back. Time is irrelevant, if the driver makes an overtake, which forces him to leave the road, then it is illegal, I don't see an argument.
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Old 14th Oct 2013, 16:35
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Yeah, I know, I know, its just that it is F1, it is supposed to be the pinnacle of racing.
(grumble, grumble)

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Old 14th Oct 2013, 19:12
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F1 arguments, lovely!

Using the gaps is what being a racing driver is all about;

Ayrton Senna's Famous interview with Sir Jackie Stewart

"I find it amazing for you to make such a question Stewart ... "
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Old 15th Oct 2013, 09:28
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Using the gaps is what being a racing driver is all about
That incident lead to the rule that you can only jink once to protect your position otherwise it's a drive through or a time penalty at the end of he race.
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My point is, having watched the race OD, didn't Hamilton go for a gap that wasn't there, causing his puncture himself? At least Senna went for gaps that were initially there then closed!

I'd rather be in a queue at Alton Towers with a Senna type crowd, than a Hamilton type crowd!
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Old 15th Oct 2013, 21:29
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Not really "a gap that wasn't there"!!!! From the screenshots posted by Fitter2 there was an empty track in front of Hamilton. And from those same pictures, couldn't you equally say that Vettel should have dropped out of the gap that was closing in around him?
I wouldn't criticise any of the drivers. It was just an unlucky incident off the start line. Everyone is jostling for position at very high speed, this sort of thing is inevitable from time to time. I've seen hundreds of events like this over the years both in F1 and lower levels of racing. Not anyone's fault, just unlucky.
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Old 16th Oct 2013, 04:12
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Blues, we used to call that a "racing accident" - stuff that happened when drivers were 'going for it'. Back in the days before they needed to blame and penalize someone for just about anything abnormal.

It wasn't all that long ago that first corner pileups were not uncommon. They'd trash 10 or 12 cars, it would be declared a "no start", the drivers would run back to the pits and jump into their spare cars, and they'd start all over again.
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Old 21st Oct 2013, 22:10
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BBC Sport - Toro Rosso: Daniil Kvyat, 19, to join Jean-Eric Vergne for 2014
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From Pitpass:-

Marussia has taken the title of making the biggest loss of any team in Formula One history with a net loss for 2012 of £59m.
It is no secret that there is a vast gulf in budgets between the top and bottom of the grid.
Ferrari's F1 contract entitles it to a minimum amount of guaranteed annual prize money which comes to more than double Marussia's revenue.
From Autoweek:-

“If you look at Red Bull, nearly $135.8 million a year comes in from their parent company by means of sponsorship instead of loans. If you were to remove that element from their accounts, they would go from a nominal profit to an enormous loss.”
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A great shame. I'm convinced he would have won the drivers championship at some point if he hadn't injured himself.
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Congratulations Seb

4th time DWC, and now only second to Schumacher and Fangio in the rankings. Quite an accomplishment for the young lad.

Loved the radio message from the pits 'don't even think about it!', just as he crossed the line having done fastest lap.

Is he the best driver? Impossible to say, but anybody in the top 5 can win the championship in the right car and with the right team backing. But it is worth noticing that with Vettel's points alone RBR would win the constructors title. Dominance like that has meant a predictable and, with respect to who's going to win it, a dull season. But there has been plenty of fine racing, and there is no taking away from RBR and Seb Vettel what they have accomplished.


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When Schumacher was winning all his races, our urbanisation was festooned with Schumacher and Ferrari flags. These days not a single Vettel / Red Bull flag to be seen. Even considering how many German property owners have fled northward, the difference is remarkable.
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Old 27th Oct 2013, 13:37
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We were just on a short break in Italy, in Sperlonga, on the coast between Rome and Naples. On the way down from Rome, on the Appian Way I think it was, I was startled to see a familiar figure, life-size, stuck up on a shed, still advertising something or other, fruit juice, I think. Yes, Michael Schumacher lives!

Vettel out-Schumachers Schumacher... he has an annoying personality coupled with an uncanny ability to go fast in one particular Formula One car. That picture of Webber on the podium looking down at Vettel, who had ignored team orders to grab first place... that said a lot: a guy with some class, looking at someone who has very little!

Fangio's era was one where when you crashed heavily you usually died, and often horribly, so that the amount of courage driving on the limit called for then, compared to now, well, there's no real comparison!
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I checked Delhi's weather. Temperature OK, slight cloud cover, humidity 40%, VISIBILITY 1.75 kilometres. Looks like they have got the same industrial pollution as China is suffering from.
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A great shame. I'm convinced he would have won the drivers championship at some point if he hadn't injured himself."

This, at least, is some good news.

Kubica seals WRC2 title - Pitpass.com
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