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Old 6th Oct 2013, 13:55
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Pic, Van der Garde, Bianchi and Chilton given reprimands - no further action against either McLaren’s Sergio Perez or Force India’s Adrian Sutil.
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The man in the Aussie hat.

Charm Lee, president of the Korean Tourism Organisation - born in Germany, as Bernhard Quandt.
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Webber fire due to oil radiator leak.
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The FIA has admitted it made the call to send a fire truck to Mark Webber's Korean Grand Prix incident.
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Hulkenberg for driver of the day?
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Old 6th Oct 2013, 15:08
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Originally Posted by OFSO
Yeah, but sad when the only excitement was provided by tire problems.
OFSO, are you just in the groove of bitching about F1 for the sake of it, or did you post without actually watching the race? Or maye you had the race on the box and fell asleep?

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Old 6th Oct 2013, 16:09
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Well, I watched the first 15 minutes or so - then decided it'd be more exciting and productive to go and cut the grass befoe I did fall asleep.

F1 is a farce these days, and appears to exist for the sole purpose of lining the pockets of the Poison Dwarf with a few more million £££.

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Old 6th Oct 2013, 16:25
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No BabyBear, I watched the race on live TV and I have watched every F-1 race this season and also year after year dating back into the past. And the only excitement these days is caused by incidents originating in the application of restricting rules & regulations. Hey, the tires are good ? Lets make them wear faster. Hey, nobody can overtake any more ? Lets introduce an aerodynamic device that can be turned on and off by the stewards, and only used on parts of the course. Hey, got fuelling down to a fine T ? Lets eliminate it !

And so on. The only rules and regs that should be applied to racing are those to make it safer. If you think tires that wear faster do this, I'm sorry for you. If you think the procession of cars trundling round the track today was exciting, you should get out more (or watch BTC racing or Ginetta cup racing...etc).
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Old 6th Oct 2013, 16:50
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Tyres (I'm British, I thought you were too) aside this race did have good wheel to wheel racing with some excellent driving, both overtaking and defending.

Comparing the top 10 finishing positions with their grid position doesn't back up your procession claim.

Vettel 1-1
Raikkonen 2-9
Grosjean 3-3
Hulkenberg 4-7
Hamilton 5-2
Alonso 5-6
Rosberg 7-4
Button 8-11
Massa 9-6
Perez 10-10

It's certainly not without fault, however when it gets to the point I get as much displeasure as you I'll simply stop watching. Seems a better option than watching only to moan, or maybe that's the point of watching?

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Old 6th Oct 2013, 19:28
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There was some great racing going on. It just wasn't at the front. For much of the race, whenever the world feed attention shifted to the battles for 4-8 positions, there seemed to be some real wheel to wheel racing action.

Grosjean was very fast and stayed out of trouble again. A trend perhaps? I thought Kimi might take Grosjean out during that pass for second, but somehow he didn't and both Lotus entries got a podium finish. Another Ice Man drive from the Kimster. If Lotus keeps this up, does it say anything about their 2014 prospects?

Alonso didn't have any miracles up his sleeve this time. Just a steady drive commensurate with his car's performance level. Massa recovered very well following his early race mistake to collect a couple more points for the red team. Keep at it and go out in proper style.

I have some difficulty fathoming the depth of Webber's bad fortune. Up in flames two races in a row? And how many times this year? My sentimental side hopes he'll get a victory by seasons end, but he'll either have to outperform the entire field (including the oft-envied champion) and/or finally benefit from some personal good fortune to do it. Best of luck Mark.

In spite of F1's perceived shortcomings, those posting here DO follow the sport don't they? Those who post here simply to tell us that they don't watch notwithstanding of course!

GP of Japan next week and I'm looking forward to it. And to next season to see how the teams and drivers shake out under the new formula.

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Old 6th Oct 2013, 19:35
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Someone was bored watching Hamilton giving his and his cars absolute all trying to get past the Hulk, clucking bell
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Old 6th Oct 2013, 20:23
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Webber's bad fortune. Up in flames two races in a row?
This time the Hun in the sun caught him out.

I can't believe Perez got away with it yet again; like Moses he expects the sea to part in front of him. He never seem to accept any responsibility for his actions, whines, "I did nothing wrong" when he is caught. The more he gets away with it the more dangerous he will become.

Nice to see an American car leading the race for once
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A couple years ago, when Vettel was so totally dominant and clinched the championship early, mid season I suggested that what they needed to was concede the championship and have a special contest for 'runner up'. Call it the Newey trophy - it would go to the top driver not driving an AN designed car

This year, like then, there is some great racing going on, it's just not at the front.

BTW, I hear they're going to give the fire truck a 10 grid spot penalty at Japan for having an unsafe release
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Next year will be an even bigger joke- cars will have only 100 litres of fuel,at the moment they are fueled to about 150 litres.Max fuel flow will be 100 litres per hour. So instead of having to conserve tyres,in 2014 tyres and fuel will have to be conserved. It will end up a Mobil Economy run. The complex engines will be about twice the price of todays engines With only 5 useable engines per car if there is any unreliability it could reduce the whole thing to low farce
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Old 6th Oct 2013, 23:25
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I think the Jeep has the racing line there...
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Old 6th Oct 2013, 23:29
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Jeep, eh? It's all about tyres, don't you know/

The comeback at Alonso's complaint about the tyres made me smile.

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Isn't it about time Vettle was given a 10 place grid penalty every time he screams on winning/gets on pole? Also he should be given a similar punnishment every time he sticks a finger upon similar achievments.

Annoying, childish and irritating.
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Old 7th Oct 2013, 08:00
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Next year will be an even bigger joke
Not sure I agree with that.. This season has been pretty poor. I doubt I will watch anymore races live this year now that the title is over. Its not Vettels fault.

Vettel - Drives - win - happy - nice to everyone.
Raikkonen - Good results - Goes and gets pi$$ed.
Hamilton - Drives angry - good-ish results - Winges at everyone..
Alonso - Crap car - good results - moans so much its boring.
Di Resta - Great crash test dummy

Next year, fuel not too much of an issue, but cars heavy so little or no ballast meaning poor car balance and driveability, tyres may be an issue - reportedly unable to cope with power from Turbo Engines. You can also bet your boots there were be a ton of problems with the electrics -The hybrid drive, KERS etc etc etc. Next year may finally be the year we see everyone in badly handling but ridiculously powerful cars.. Then we'll see who the best drivers really are... Hopefully!
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Old 7th Oct 2013, 08:15
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I agree, Alloa, there could well be fun and games next season with the many changes; reduction in engine capacity and significant reduction in power with a limiting of engine RPM to 15K and a need to reduce fuel consumption from around 160KG to 100KG. More technology to make up for the lost engine power but with aditional complexity and weight penalty.

As for the tyres I don't think there will be any option other than to make changes in the specs.

Chamionship is over this year but that's not to say there isn't good racing and demonstration of driving skills yet to come.

I think this year has served to demonstrate that FA & KR are the real deal leaving LH with little doubt about his actual ability.

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Old 7th Oct 2013, 09:17
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reduction in engine capacity and significant reduction in power
The first part of that statement is correct, but I hear on the grapevine that power may well be up on this year.. Thus Pirelli having concerns over the tyres coping. Whether the power increase is through sheer BHP or maybe differences in torque due to the turbo's, I couldn't say.
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