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Old 6th Jun 2012, 23:33
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" for: the trains would run on time
again: the shops would be shut whenever you actually needed them (eg before 09:00 hrs, lunchtime, after 16:00, most of saturday, all day sunday) "



It's very unusual to find a retail shop shut on Saturdays IME, most seem to be open till 4-6 pm these days. Sunday seems to be a European thing............except in Switzerland, where the major Hauptbahnhof " mini cities" are open.

Think of this as a plus too, possibility of same or next day medical appointments , with a specialist.............without a BS referral.

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Old 7th Jun 2012, 08:30
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A Politician living up to their campaign promises.
That 'iv' looksto me like a 'y'.

If it's true, what will they do? Give with one hand and take away (more) with the other.
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Old 8th Jun 2012, 07:49
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Old 8th Jun 2012, 10:24
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Quote of the day from The Corner: "If the Euro is The Titanic, the one thing you can be sure of it that there aren't enough lifeboats...."

Torygraph: Spain too big for EU rescue fund as China recoils

Reuters: Exclusive - Spain to request EU bank aid on Saturday-sources
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Old 8th Jun 2012, 10:30
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ORAC's quote has it on the money.

Merkel today suggesting that "more Europe" a "Europe Public" (whatever that is) is the only answer to the deepening eurozone crisis. She wants Europe wide political parties, essentially full political and economic union.

They're like crazed heroin addicts who can't see beyond the next fix, or the lives they blight in pursuit of their own craving for the high of power and control over others. All they know is they have to keep going whatever the cost.

I don't think any voter in any plebscite relating to the EEC, common market or EU has ever voted on that question.
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Old 8th Jun 2012, 15:54
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Hmmm, this should have the Spanish regional governments and their local Caja sweating.........

Debt crisis: EC plot to use competition rules to close down eurozone banks

The European Commission is threatening to use EU competition rules to close down the failing Greek, Spanish and Portuguese banks that have pushed the eurozone into a new crisis, with Greece's ATEbank the first in its sights.
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Old 9th Jun 2012, 07:41
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And the witch hunt and recriminations start in Spain. Which banks and which directors will go under the knife?.....

Grauniad: Spain Savings Bank Corruption
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Old 9th Jun 2012, 10:58
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Problems are very regional. One near town, Castelló d'Empurias, is bankrupt. The other, Roses (in whose area which we live) is flush.* They have just planted/pruned many miles of the centre concrete dividers of their dual-carriageways with roses, red roses for the outer areas, white for the inner. Must have cost a bomb.

* Mind you, property taxes here are very high. In fact general COL in the area equates to Islington, London (says Mrs OFSO).
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Old 9th Jun 2012, 11:20
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as i understand it, spain is starting to crack down on the black economy. with the amount of North African, Eastern European and S. American immigrants and transients, the amount of work that is done off teh books is considerable, with an equivalent black economy of close to 20% of the GDP. although it's not just the 'immigrants' with the Spanish even of professional status working with two prices one with an invoice and one without an invoice, there is a huge amount of income generated 'off the books'

yet europe rails against the greeks for not paying their taxes. of course this is a net result of the socialist ideals of 'spend, spend, tax, tax, spend' increased taxation leads to 'off the books' economies, resulting in decreased tax revenue and thus increased taxes to make up the shortfall.

the socialists just don't get the folly of their actions and think the resolution is more of the same.
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Old 9th Jun 2012, 12:08
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The BBC has a slightly ironic story about catching illegal immigrants on their way out of Greece:
More than 1,500 illegal immigrants were caught in Patras last year; every vehicle carrying them was impounded.

But while the port authorities are rigorous in their checks, plenty more migrants will attempt the journey. Over 80% of those entering the European Union now pass through Greece.


The typical route is in through the north-eastern corner of the country, across the Evros river from Turkey. They continue through Athens and down to Patras, in limbo until they pick what they hope is the right time to leave.


"I'm scared I'll die at any time because it's so unsafe here," one Afghan says while cowering on a disused railway track. "Nobody looks after us - there are no human rights in Greece. My dream is to go to England and I'll try every day to get there."
"No human rights in Greece"? I think someone's confused about what his "human rights" are ...
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Old 9th Jun 2012, 12:14
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This is the scary part :

Over 80% of those entering the European Union now pass through Greece.
Which allwos them free unfettered access to most of Europe, thanks to the Schengen open borders agreement, one of the most idiotic, dangerous, and ill-conceived pieces of legislation in the whole EU scam.
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Old 9th Jun 2012, 12:26
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Which allwos them free unfettered access to most of Europe, thanks to the Schengen open borders agreement, one of the most idiotic, dangerous, and ill-conceived pieces of legislation in the whole EU scam.
Which is the next big row building between Brussels and the nations. All is increasingly fractious within the core....

EU states prepare rules for suspending visa-free travel

(Reuters) - European Union governments would be able to suspend passport-free travel in parts of Europe for as long as two years under regulations proposed on Thursday to address concerns over large-scale immigration.

At a meeting in Luxembourg, EU home affairs ministers agreed on new rules that would allow countries to reintroduce border controls if one state persistently failed to stop illegal migrants from entering Europe's Schengen zone.

Such a decision would have to follow careful monitoring of the external borders for at least three months which revealed a "serious threat to public policy or internal security" in the EU. Checks between the country failing to meet standards and other EU states could be put in place for six months at a time, with possible extensions up to two years. Other EU states would have to agree before passport controls could be brought in.

"There must be no weak links in the chain when it comes to illegal migration," Danish Justice Minister Morten Bodskov told a news conference after the meeting. "Steps need to be taken quickly if Schengen cooperation is under threat."

The proposed rules will have to win backing from the European Parliament before they can become law. To ensure the EU's external borders are well protected, the ministers also agreed to step up monitoring of how checks are conducted.

One country that could come under increased scrutiny is Greece which regularly faces criticism for failing to protect its border with Turkey..........

Inter-institutional row brews on Schengen

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Institutional incident

The European Parliament reacted in an unusually strong manner, considering the ministers’ vote “a serious inter-institutional incident”. MEPs are particularly concerned over the fact that ministers voted to change the co-decision procedure on Schengen matters to a mere consultation procedure - meaning the EP position can be totally ignored. Following a conference of the Presidents of the Europea Parliament’s political groups, President Martin Schulz stated that the Council “disrespects Parliament's powers and is a step in the wrong direction on Schengen” (see Positions). The Parliament's Civil Liberties Committee has now scheduled a vote on the Schengen Governance Package to take place on 11 June in Strasbourg. The Parliament also wants the Danish EU Presidency to explain its position in a plenary sitting next week.

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The President of the European Parliament Martin Schulz made the following statement at the end of Conference of Presidents (EP President and leaders of political groups)

"The European Parliament is deeply disappointed at the unilateral and counterproductive behaviour of the Justice and Home Affairs Council today. This decision disrespects Parliament's powers and is a step in the wrong direction on Schengen. This unnecessary power game will not achieve the outcome our citizens expect from the Union. In a Union of states and citizens, it is disturbing to see that national governments seek to exclude the citizens' representatives on matters relating to individual rights. […] The European Parliament will not accept any extra reason for reintroducing border controls without a proper Community-based mechanism to evaluate and monitor whether this is necessary or not. The European Parliament will therefore continue with the legislative procedure on this dossier and examine all available options. We will insist that the Danish Presidency explains its position before the European Parliament next week in Strasbourg during the plenary session."

"I urge the Danish Prime Minister and President of the Council, Mrs. Thorning-Schmidt, to participate in a debate with the Parliament at the opening of the next plenary session in Strasbourg on Monday 11 June at 17.00 hours", the President of the EPP group Joseph Daul in a statement. "The Danish Prime Minister is a former member of this House. More than any other Prime Minister in Europe, she should know how utterly counterproductive today's Council decision is. It gravely jeopardizes the working relations between the Parliament and the Council. We need a personal reassurance from her that the Parliament is going to be fully involved in the decision-making process", Daul staed.

ALDE Group President Guy Verhofstadt said: "How can we trust that the Council will respect one of the major achievements of the EU given that the first thing it decides upon is to weaken the involvement of the Parliament. All our fears and concerns just materialised. By taking this decision, the Council sent a clear signal, namely they will find any excuse to close the borders as they close ranks against us. We can't accept this. It is in clear contravention of the spirit of loyal cooperation between institutions. Parliament will examine whether to launch legal action against the Council. We should even consider, if the Council continues with such an attitude, to suspend other legislative negotiations ongoing with the Council", he concluded.

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Old 9th Jun 2012, 12:27
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one Afghan says while cowering on a disused railway track. "Nobody looks after us - there are no human rights in Greece. My dream is to go to England and I'll try every day to get there."
what's just as scary tableview is aholes like like Nick Clegg..

Nick Clegg yesterday denied that Britain is planning to ‘pull up the drawbridge’ to prevent an influx of foreign workers from crisis-hit eurozone nations.

from a weeks ago...
The Deputy Prime Minister hit out at ‘apocalyptic’ warnings that Britain could be hit by a wave of immigrants from Greece and other struggling countries if the euro crisis deepens.

His intervention came after Theresa May disclosed contingency planning was under way to deal with a potential influx of would-be immigrants.


Reports said the Home Secretary was considering using emergency powers to bypass European single market rules and effectively seal the border.

Mrs May said that ‘work is ongoing’ to deal with large movements of people in the event of the break-up of the single currency, although she did not indicate the exact response that was under consideration.

But she said the Government was ‘looking at the trends’ on immigration from struggling European economies.

She said there was no evidence of increased migration at present, but said it was ‘difficult to say how it is going to develop in coming weeks’.

Mrs May suggested that the ‘abuse’ of freedom of movement within the EU more generally was an issue that was under consideration.

She said: ‘Discussions within the EU are much more looking at the immigration issue, the migration issue, as something that needs to be considered and addressed.

Within the EU, in a wider context, people are increasingly recognising the need to prevent the abuse of free movement.’

Labour MP Keith Vaz, chairman of the Home Affairs select committee, said moves to curb immigration from within the EU were ‘fraught with dangers’.


‘The statement [from Mrs May] is concerning, considering that the Home Office’s record of acting on legal advice has not been brilliant.

‘Secondly, the Home Secretary is suggesting a short-term fix, whereas the eurozone crisis will be long-term and involve several countries.

‘Finally, she will cause unnecessary panic as people in Greece seek to move to the UK before any new measures are put in place. This risks causing chaos at the borders just before and during the Olympics.
i can't work out if people like Clegg and Vaz are either completely bloody stupid or engaging in treason ?
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Old 9th Jun 2012, 12:41
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From visiting experiences in Greece and living in Spain, the difference in attitude towards taxes is that in Greece you get away with what you can, 100% if possible.

The Spanish authorities have always been reasonable: provided you pay a fair amount of tax, you'll be left alone. It's still the case that you can have work done tax-free - "without a receipt" - but often your firm will say "sorry, I have to charge you VAT on this, I need the receipts to make up my month's declaration - next time, VAT-free, OK ?".

At the same time, try to cheat 100% and the authorities will descend on you and tear you apart.

At my annual income tax declaration I prepare a summary of my affairs, the Spanish tax inspector takes that at face value and enters my figures in the computer. German friends tell me that in Germany (Baden-Wurtembourg) you have to produce substantiating evidence for EVERYTHING you claim, they go through it all, and it takes hours.

Given that only a fool would make a declaration that he couldn't back up if asked, which attitude is more reasonable ? Which costs more in tax inspector's wages: assuming the declarer is basically honest but that one or two might cheat a little, or assuming everyone is dishonest and checking every number ?

Ah well, it will be unimportant soon when Germany takes over Europe and we all do things the Merkel way.

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Old 9th Jun 2012, 13:25
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The ones that would screw up Merkel's plans would be the French. Her dream of Ein currency, Ein bank, Ein country equals one language. That would have to be English as it is the only one that the majority of European foreign language speakers know.

The French would never put up with that.
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Old 9th Jun 2012, 21:43
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Spanish pride reaches new heights.

Marvellous: Spain's going to get a 100 billion euros but as they didn't ask for it - not technically at least - Madrid is crowing about it "not being a rescue bail-out" but it's a "loan" which has been "offered to Spain", presumably because the EU had it lying around somewhere and just happened to think it would be a nice gesture, even though "Spain didn't really need it".

Don't laugh, that's the impression the Spanish TV channels are giving tonight.

There isn't a brick wall long enough against which to stand politicians and allow a firing squad to get to work.
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Old 9th Jun 2012, 22:07
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The ones that would screw up Merkel's plans would be the French. Her dream of Ein currency, Ein bank, Ein country equals one language. That would have to be English as it is the only one that the majority of European foreign language speakers know.
not in EU land !!

EUROPA - Press Releases - English, a rare language?
English, a rare language?

The European Commission is facing a serious language interpreting shortage over the next 5-10 years
The European Commission's interpreting service faces a potential succession crisis for linguists for a number of languages - and a shortage in several others. Without an increase in the number of qualified graduates from interpreter schools and universities, the EU Institutions will lose at least one third of their English language interpreters by 2015 due to retirement – and about half in a ten-year perspective.
The European Commission’s Directorate-General for Interpretation wants to make sure that young people know that interpreting can be an attractive career choice for university graduates with a good knowledge of languages. In collaboration with sister services in the European Parliament and The European Court of Justice, DG Interpretation has produced a video clip to help young English speakers learn more about the interpreting profession. "Interpreting for Europe ... into English", addressed chiefly to a British and Irish audience, is launched today on YouTube at:
and on a number of EU and national websites. It will be followed later this year by productions for French and German speakers. In 2008, the first such clip - for Latvian - was produced by the European Commission.
how about flemmish ?

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Old 9th Jun 2012, 22:48
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Total population of 27 Euro countries (includes children) is about 500,000,000 so 100,000,000,000 Euros works out as 200 Euros for every man, woman and child . . .
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Old 10th Jun 2012, 03:54
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Exactly, like being said right here, Eurozone is ready to support Spain 100%.

For the ones who started to prepare some popcorn to enjoy armageddon on their sofa, well, it seems you'll have to wait.
Espagne : la zone euro envisage un plan d'aide jusqu' 100 milliards d'euros

100 billions Euro? That's not even 1% of the Eurozone GDP. Even if Eurozone do GIVE all this money the the spanish banks (which is not the case), Eurozone remains with a debt rate under the UK/Japan/US one.

Non event.

I suspect most of people commenting here are mainly not from Eurozone, you should then focus first on the debt that your respective countries have before getting all excited watching your neighbors.
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Total population of 27 Euro countries (includes children) is about 500,000,000 so 100,000,000,000 Euros works out as 200 Euros for every man, woman and child . . .
I haven't read from you any post with the same tone when your own country or the US in 2008 had to bail out their banks.
Hence my guess for basic Eurobashing from you.
Eurozone is one of the western economy with the least debt per person, and definitely the economy with the least total debt and personal debt per person.

Eurozone will go through the crisis and survive, have no doubt about that.
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