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Old 14th Oct 2013, 20:45
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I do hope Ms Le Pen has very good security and protection, stay away from the woods. Look what happened to Fortayn (sp) in Holland.
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Old 15th Oct 2013, 11:52
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Call me a sceptic but

made his appeal at the launch of his new book
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It's all about the money.
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Old 15th Oct 2013, 21:11
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Neil Kinnock shows his true colours
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Old 16th Oct 2013, 13:36
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back to the future

Are you guys stucked in 2011?
Okay let me bring you the news then. Eurozone didn't explode, the debt is under control, and it is expecting new members. Like EU by the way. All like I promised. Close the light, have a good rest now. It is very late and we are in 2013 already.
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Old 16th Oct 2013, 14:52
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I'm not clued up on British polotics, but how does Neil Kinnick, become a Lord? Whatever that means, but I assume it means nose in the trough.?

Kinnock. Edited for spelling

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Old 16th Oct 2013, 15:24
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how does Neil Kinnock, become a Lord? Whatever that means, but I assume it means nose in the trough.?
Exactly, a reward for failure. The whole Kinnock household sucks on one public teat or another, extracting huge sums from the taxpayers of the UK and EU.
Another Socialist dynasty in the making, along with the Benns, Morrises, Hoyles etc.
Blairs son is being tipped for a safe Parliamentary seat at some time in the future........as if one Blair was never enough.

They are the new aristocracy, and the publicly funded trough will never be big enough for them.
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Old 16th Oct 2013, 17:29
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Another Socialist dynasty in the making, along with the Benns, Morrises, Hoyles etc.
A splendidly selective list to suit your purpose. I will add another Socialist dynasty to your list: the Foots. Or the Dunwoodys.

Now, talk about the Churchill / Spencers, the Hurds, the Cavendish / Macmillans, the Hoggs, the Bottomleys, the Wintertons.

And then explain why these dynasties are worthy, but those that you quote are somehow not.
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Old 16th Oct 2013, 19:07
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And then explain why these dynasties are worthy, but those that you quote are somehow not.
There is a world of difference between dynasties based on service, and those that have arisen from hypocrisy. The entire premise of Socialism was to break down the "ruling classes" and hand power to the masses. Instead, one cadre is being replaced with and even more ambitious and grasping mob.

Just one of the new "Nomenklatura"

Neil Kinnock

A look at Neil Kinnock's bio's reveal that as usual with Labour Party hypocrites Neil Kinnock benefited from a grammar school education. This was the vehicle that provided social mobility for working class children which was subsequently denied to future generations by the Labour Party. The replacement Comprehensive system locked children into a dumbed down shambles which masquerades as schooling today.

Neil Kinnock went on to become "the first person in his family for a thousand generations to go to University" where he graduated in Industrial Relations and History, a qualification which is of little use for a career in wealth and job creation.

Neil Kinnock is also "the first person in his family in a thousand generations" to accumulate a fortune without ever having done a proper job in the real world outside the incestuous world of party politics.

Neil Kinnock spent 4 years as a tutor for the Workers Education Association, a taxpayer supported charity which laughably includes equality and opportunity as one of its values. (Comrade Neil must have turned a blind eye to that one).

After an exhaustive investigation, that would appear to be it, the sum total of Neil Kinnock's experience outside politics comprises of being a student and a tutor in a taxpayer funded charity.

A look at Neil Kinnock's bio's reveal that as usual with Labour Party hypocrites Neil Kinnock benefited from a grammar school education. This was the vehicle that provided social mobility for working class children which was subsequently denied to future generations by the Labour Party. The replacement Comprehensive system locked children into a dumbed down shambles which masquerades as schooling today.

Neil Kinnock went on to become "the first person in his family for a thousand generations to go to University" where he graduated in Industrial Relations and History, a qualification which is of little use for a career in wealth and job creation.

Neil Kinnock is also "the first person in his family in a thousand generations" to accumulate a fortune without ever having done a proper job in the real world outside the incestuous world of party politics.

Neil Kinnock spent 4 years as a tutor for the Workers Education Association, a taxpayer supported charity which laughably includes equality and opportunity as one of its values. (Comrade Neil must have turned a blind eye to that one).

After an exhaustive investigation, that would appear to be it, the sum total of Neil Kinnock's experience outside politics comprises of being a student and a tutor in a taxpayer funded charity.
In 1999 after 5 years in office as Transport Commissioner, Neil Kinnock was forced to resign with the rest of the Jaques Santer corruptocrats after widespread fraud, obstruction and cover ups were discovered in the Commission budget then subsequently exposed by a whistle blower.

Everybody in the Commission denied all knowledge of course, so a scapegoat had to be found to fall on their sword and be punished. ( The punishment was not so severe as to cost the volunteer her pension). With this dubious action the issue was whitewashed over and the gravy train was back on the rails.
Glenys Kinnock (wife)

In 2004, Glenys Kinnock was caught up in an expenses scandal. Fellow MEP Hans Peter Martin claimed to have caught 194 colleagues receiving the European Parliament's attendance allowance. Kinnock was among those MEPs whom Martin found and filmed leaving the building just moments after they had signed in for the day to qualify for their 175-a-day allowance, in addition to their 70,000 salaries as MEPs.
Stephen Kinnock (son)

In June 2010, the Danish tabloid BT accused Kinnock of tax evasion He pays tax to Switzerland where his workplace is situated and he claims his main residence there, although his wife's political website states that 'The family lives in Osterbro in Copenhagen'.The couple had previously stated to the media that Kinnock would spend his weekends in Denmark, sometimes including Thursday, and that he regarded his home and base as being exclusively with his family in Copenhagen. According to the tabloid, he would possibly exceed 183 days a year in Denmark, meaning he would be fully taxable there. Helle Thorning-Schmidt repudiated the accusations but said the couple would ask the Danish tax authorityfor an audit.
And not to be left out....

Rachel Kinnock (daughter)

Rachel Kinnock was her mothers research assistant at the EU and went on to work for Gordon Brown at No.10. She is now part of Ed Millionairbands team.
A little taste of your new Lords and Masters. I doubt there is very little, if any, Noblesse Oblige among this lot. Every thing they do will be followed by an expenses form, and between them the Kinnocks have gained six state pensions. Not one of them will have had to meet a payroll.

Nice work, if you know the right people........what?
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Old 16th Oct 2013, 19:46
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There is a world of difference between dynasties based on service, and those that have arisen from hypocrisy. The entire premise of Socialism was to break down the "ruling classes" and hand power to the masses. Instead, one cadre is being replaced with and even more ambitious and grasping mob.
That is nothing more than less than your own perspective, following your political agenda.

All your following quotes are not attributed.

Not whatsovever.

Did you write them?

If not, who did?
Why do you not address the question I raised regarding dynasties from your side of the political spectrum which might be uncomfortable for you?
Go ahead and defend the "service" furnished by the Bottomleys for example, and tell me why hypocrisy was not involved.
Please do.
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Old 16th Oct 2013, 21:35
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furnished by the Bottomleys for example
Wikipedia on Peter Bottomley (( small extract))
After university, he became a lorry driver and joined the Transport and General Workers Union before moving on to industrial sales and industrial relations. In the early 1970s he co-founded the Neighbourhood Council in South Lambeth, resulting in the creation of football pitches and other facilities at Larkhall Park. His last job before entering Parliament was putting lights outside theatres and cinemas in London's West End.

So he seems to have had a life
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Old 17th Oct 2013, 03:28
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Just to inform you, there is already an UK politics thread, you are in the EU thread here. Unless you believe UK exit is not an option you consider anymore... And then we would have to delete the UK politics thread...



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Old 22nd Oct 2013, 08:29
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Frexit fever reaches heart of French establishment
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Old 22nd Oct 2013, 13:48
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Last week at a meeting I attended in Paris there was a burst of laughter when the possibility of a French exit from the euro was mentioned, and the subject was rapidly changed.

At least I think it was after the possibility of a French exit from the euro was mentioned. It could have been after a mention of the possibility of the French staying in the euro that caused the mirth.

Crowds, blue flashing lights and police sirens everywhere at the Place de la Concorde on Tuesday. The demo looked nasty so I took a Batobus along the river.
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Old 22nd Oct 2013, 14:22
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KAG:
Just to inform you, there is already an UK politics thread, you are in the EU thread here.
The discussion was about Kinnock. EU Commissioner for transport from 95-99 and Vice-President from 1999-2004.

Presumably, given your apparent antipathy towards nation-specific content being mentioned in the EU thread, you'll also refrain from posting about French matters. Just saying.
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Old 22nd Oct 2013, 19:03
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There is no need to get upset.
The self appointed authority on things French, the immigrant to Provence, made a point or five regarding political dynasties, citing the Kinnocks, who have held various UK political positions as well as EU ones.
There are huge numbers of politicians from all EU member countries who have held some kind of national role as well.
I just pointed out that the Kinnocks are not alone in having numerous family members in politics.
The sage of the Vaucluse never answers any arguments I advance against his potentially flawed perceptions.
I imagine he has put me on his ignore list.
Not a particularly sophisticated nor convincing method of debate.

I agree with MagnusP; if one speaks of any EU politician, he/she is nation specific, alongside their EU role.
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Old 24th Oct 2013, 13:45
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Originally Posted by wings folded View Post
The sage of the Vaucluse never answers any arguments I advance against his potentially flawed perceptions.
I imagine he has put me on his ignore list.
Not a particularly sophisticated nor convincing method of debate.
Not really, I forgot all about you to be honest. All the quotes are from that font of all knowledge, Wiki.

Meanwhile, you couldn't make it up part 8826...

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Old 24th Oct 2013, 16:18
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Citi forecasts Greek devastation, unstoppable debt spirals in Italy and Portugal
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Old 25th Oct 2013, 14:33
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If you think only the PIIGS are bankrupt:

EU could run out of money by the middle of November

In a shocking reflection of the recent budgetary crisis in America, the EU looks set to fall foul of a massive shortfall in November. Parliament President Martin Schulz told MEPs this morning that he had received a call from Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso who warned the EU would default unless it was given an extra 2.7 billion from member states.
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Old 26th Oct 2013, 08:07
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Spain still trapped in 'perennial jobs slump' despite tourism surge ? Telegraph Blogs
This is going to be a long, hard slog. Raj Badiani at IHS Global Insight says the Spanish labour market is "locked into a perennial slump," and there is almost nothing the Rajoy can do about it under EU fiscal constraints:


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Can Spain make it? Of course, if the eurozone ditches its contraction regime and reflates. Monetary policy must be more expansive.
You cannot ask any more from the long-suffering Spanish people. Europe must do its part. A nominal GDP target of 5pc would work miracles in Euroland. The ECB refuses to do this. It is monetary policy failure.
Let us place the blame squarely where it belongs.
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Old 5th Dec 2013, 17:13
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The EU should immediately deliver an "official ultimatum" to the UK PM David Cameron's coalition government forthwith:

"SHAPE UP, SHUT UP OR SHIP OUT", you have 12 months to deliver?! Especially in view of the UK's latest tirade of the EU here

Why don't you just do us all the pleasure of simply "buggering-off" rapidly? Before any so-called referendum etc.? You're becoming a major pain in the arse (if you don't know what that means, please consult your fellow public-school colleagues...).

12 months would be about sufficient in most cases for UK expatriates currently working in, retired to or residing in other EU countries to apply for alternative citizenship.

Allowing you to go along your merry way for the next 12 months, antagonising the EU at every step, until you're preferably "thrown-out" of the EU or decide to "exit" yourself at an earlier date.

PS. Better make sure that existing "pension obligations" are 100% respected between the EU and an "ex. EU UK" (unlike the UK and Canada...). Otherwise, I may have to dig out my ageing Bren-gun from the garden and settle scores whilst I'm still able to walk...
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