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Old 10th Jun 2013, 21:10
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The economic engines that have until now kept EU floating, Germany, France, Netherlands, Finland - all are starting to sink.
BRUSSELS: Consumer and business confidence in the 17-nation eurozone bounced back in May after a sharp drop in April, a European Commission survey showed on Thursday.
By country, the confidence reading rose 1.8 points in bailed-out Portugal, followed by 1.5 points in Italy, 0.9 points in France and 0.6 points in Germany.

Slovak eurozone exports bounce back in April
Slovak exports -- mainly German, French and Korean-brand cars -- bounced back in April with 9.2-percent growth after a 3.2-percent contraction in March, official data showed Friday.

France's factory output bounced back in April, industrial production shot up 2.2% in France in April, versus a 0.6% decline in March.


So yes, that's not great, but that's not "starting to sink" like you said if you look at the last numbers. Yes you can find some horror stories and quote them here, but let's be honest here one minute: Eurozone is a major and powerful economy, the first exporting currency in the world and one of the less endebted to start with.
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Old 10th Jun 2013, 21:25
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I have to say that I think Hollande is making himself look like a total idiot. How can it be sensible for him to say in Japan that the Euro crisis is over when the unemployment rates in Spain and Greece are at incredible levels and he himself admits that unemployment will continue increasing in France through 2013 ( and the OECD says through 2014 too ).

I mention Greece and Spain as being the worst examples but I believe unemployment is also increasing in Germany, Netherlands and probably Italy and Belgium too.

EDIT:

It rather reminds of the occasion about 10 years ago when I really formed the opinion that Euro-politicians are brainless morons - no better than those grinning fools selling soap-powder on television.

It was the occasion of some European heads-of-government conference ( remarkable for the fact that they were all filmed riding bicycles in the street ) and they solemnly recorded the fact that they were going to make the EU the world's predominant trading power. Tossers - almost without exception , then and now

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Old 11th Jun 2013, 07:07
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I seem to recall an exchange some time back, when tableview and capetonian seemed to be interchangeable
no, you dont, tableview was banned and capetonian entered the frame.

what you are doing it trying to create an issue where none exists and attempt to slur the poster by a 'sock' accusation, just becuase *you* dont subscribe to his views.

both actions are pretty poor and reflect badly on the accuser, rather than the falsely accused.

Check the ROE, 'play the ball, not the player'
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Old 11th Jun 2013, 07:09
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indeed alpine, and it seems that more and more starting to tire of the EU projekt.

of course that's those who live and work in it, rather than pontificate from 8,000 miles away..

Euroscepticism on the rise, says EU poll | euronews, Europe

Trust in the EU has fallen to a record low, a European Commission poll says.
It surveyed the bloc’s six biggest countries: Poland, the UK, France, Italy, Germany and Spain, where euroscepticism has soared.
72 percent of Spaniards say they don’t trust the EU, compared to 24 percent six years ago.
Bailout and austerity measures see that trend mirrored elsewhere.
In Italy, the number is 53 percent, compared to 28 percent previously. In Poland, 42 percent of interviewees said they don’t trust the EU, compared to 18 percent in 2007.
Jose Manuel Barroso, the president of the European Commission told Euronews that the EU executive is “concerned with the social situation” over spending cuts.
“At the same time we have to be clear and honest: it was not Europe that has created this crisis: this crises was created either in the financial markets, irresponsible behaviour or some times at national level: by unsustainable debt,” he said.
Czech economist Tomas Sedlacek argues Europeans can only get through the crisis better be working together.
But that message doesn’t appear to be getting through to the 59 percent of Germans who they don’t trust the EU, compared to 36 percent in the previous poll.
“If we wouldn’t have the European Union, we would have the austerity anyway and countries would still go bankrupt and those bankruptcies would be much more severe and much harsher because other countries wouldn’t probably so readily help them as they readily help them now,” he said.
Yet unemployed Europeans will find little comfort in those words.
The latest available figures indicate there are roughly 26 million people out of work across the EU.
Economists argue that tough spending cuts have dampened demand to such an extent, the European economy is on a dangerous downward spiral.
Karl Aiginger of the Austrian Institute of Economic Research said: “You need not to look only to the balance in the budget, but you need to reduce the spending that is not necessary for growth and increase the spending which is important for the future, for growth and competitiveness.”
EU Commission chief Barroso and some MEPs say more Europe is the solution, calling for more federalism to tackle the crisis.
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Old 11th Jun 2013, 07:45
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KAG really should be a politician - take some "statistic" and then re-define it so that it is positive!!

Brilliant

so heres what he is basing his "Eurozone" confidence on

http://ec.europa.eu/economy_finance/...2013_05_en.pdf

Quote :
In May 2013, the DG ECFIN flash estimate1 of the consumer confidence indicator improved marginally in the EU (-20.2 after -20.4 in April 2013) and the euro area (-21.9 after -22.3 in April 2013).
Unquote

So something that is terribly, terribly negative magically becomes positive.

http://ec.europa.eu/economy_finance/...2013_05_en.pdf

Something that is way below the "normal = 100" becomes hugely positive news when in fact :
Quote:
In May the Economic Sentiment Indicator (ESI) picked up again. The indicator's recovery starting in autumn last year had been interrupted by flat developments in March and deteriorations in April. May brought increases of
0.8 points in the euro area (to 89.4) and 1.1 points in the EU (to 90.8).
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http://ec.europa.eu/economy_finance/...2013_05_en.pdf

and again quote:
In May 2013, the Business Climate Indicator (BCI) for the euro area increased by 0.28 points to -0.76. While production expectations deteriorated slightly, managers' appraisal of the stocks of finished products, order books (overall and export) and past production improved. The latter component saw a particularly sharp increase.
unquote

Everything is just marginally "less worse", but KAG turns it all into super-positives

True political abilty, he is wasted staying in the East when he could be a leading light in the EU machine.
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Old 11th Jun 2013, 07:53
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On one hand i am impressed by our sweet and sour dilettante's eternal optimism.

On the other it is awesome in it's delusion. Rather like standing on the deck of the Titanic as deckchairs slide past saying, 'Oooh, it's turned out nice again!'
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Old 11th Jun 2013, 09:42
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our sweet and sour dilettante's eternal optimism.

Matched by his president's eternal optimism, too. Or should that be his president's total confusion ?!
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Old 11th Jun 2013, 10:36
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I have nothing much to say about Francois Hollande, especially after he took care about the same sex marriage during 6 months just after he got elected like it was an emergency instead of taking care of the ecomomy. He lost the little trust I had. Anyway my candidate was Francois Bayrou, like I already said. Next election I have some hope for Nathalie Kosciusko-Morizet (NKM), I am close to what she says on many subjects, plus this is a real shame in France that we never had any woman as president (we had a Queen though, but it was quite some time ago), that is completely not acceptable. No seing any woman at the head of the state elections after elections is something I find harder and harder to tolerate.
I hope she'll be the next French president, I know I will vote for her:


My beloved Wikipedia: Nathalie Kosciusko-Morizet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now back on subject:

(Reuters) - Greece sold 1.625 billion euros ($2.14 billion) of six-month T-bills on Tuesday to roll over maturity debt, the country's debt agency (PDMA) said.

The T-bills were priced to yield 4.2 percent, unchanged from a previous May auction. The sale's bid-cover ratio was 1.70, down from 1.71 in the previous auction.
Who would have thought so a few years back? It is going towards the good direction, want it or not. And no need to quote horror stories in order to pretend you don't hear what's going on.
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Old 11th Jun 2013, 10:42
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no, you dont, tableview was banned and capetonian entered the frame.
I thought it was the other way around? It was odd how the mods never picked up on the fact you never saw them together in the same room at once.
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Old 11th Jun 2013, 10:51
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I thought it was the other way around? It was odd how the mods never picked up on the fact you never saw them together in the same room at once.
Any your attempts at trying to discredit Cape/TV fall flat on its arse. The mods are well aware of who has re-registered under new usernames.

i am another (ex Bruce Wayne), as is sprogett (ex Parapunter) as well as a multitude of others, on both sides of the pond.

so quit trying to play a player and play the ball.
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Old 11th Jun 2013, 11:04
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What on earth are you blathering on about? I just thought Cape preceeded TV.

You should have your little catch-phrase inscribed on your grave...
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Old 11th Jun 2013, 17:35
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So what do think of NKM's chances to become Mayor of Paris ?

As for your comments about Hollande's priority for gay marriage, they are identical to what many are saying about Cameron and the same topic.
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Old 11th Jun 2013, 23:12
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As for your comments about Hollande's priority for gay marriage, they are identical to what many are saying about Cameron and the same topic.
Yes maybe, but that's even worse concerning Hollande as his priority for same sex marriage occured IMMEDIATELY as soon as he got elected and made France focus on this issue for 6 months everyday like there were nothing else to take care right now! Don't you think France needed something else? Plus, Cameron is married at least, Hollande NEVER married and is personaly AGAINST MARRIAGE. He is the first French head of state who never married. In this regard same sex marriage national absolute priority whithout taking time to think about it seems like a bad joke. In addition homosexual peoples in France like in many other countries is a trendy phenomenon. They already can live in couple, in France we have the PACS (civil union) since 1999 to which they have access since the beginning!!!!! That's not like gay people were in immediate danger, while some workers ARE.
I liked the fact Hollande seemed modest, and was playing the social democrat card more than the socialist one, but he lost all my trust after this ideologic and politic same sex marriage. I am happy I didn't vote for him this is the only good part.



So what do think of NKM's chances to become Mayor of Paris ?
Great chances. We need more women leaders in France.
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Old 12th Jun 2013, 06:57
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State broadcaster ERT shut down as Greece seeks more savings

Greek state TV and radio were gradually pulled off the air late on Tuesday, hours after the government said it would temporarily close all state-run broadcasts and lay off about 2,500 workers as part of a cost-cutting drive demanded by the bailed-out country's international creditors.

TV and radio stations of the Hellenic Broadcasting Corporation, or ERT, were pulled off the air in several parts of the country from about 11pm (9pm BST), about an hour before the government said all signals would go dead, although satellite broadcasts continued. The conservative-led government said ERT would reopen "as soon as possible" with a new, smaller workforce. It wasn't immediately clear how long that would take, and whether all stations would reopen.

"Congratulations to the Greek government," newscaster Antonis Alafogiorgos said toward the end of ERT's main TV live broadcast. "This is a blow to democracy. I was hoping up until the last minute that the reports were not true. It's unbelievable," news reader Stavroula Christofilea said moments after the move was announced.

A Finance Ministry statement said ERT has been formally disbanded, and authorities would "secure" the corporation's facilities. Riot police deployed outside ERT buildings in several parts of Greece, but no clashes were reported...........
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Old 12th Jun 2013, 07:46
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Since KAG raises the subject og gay marriage here on the Europe thread . I'll point out that is no coincidence that laws were passed so quickly in so many states - not just the UK and France. Yes, you guessed it, it's been laid down in a binding EU directive which had to be implemented.

Gay Marriage - The French Connection

EU Politics - Gay Marriage

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Old 12th Jun 2013, 09:18
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Anyway my candidate was Francois Bayrou, like I already said.
Taken from Bayrou's Wikipedia page:

As French Presidential candidate he has described the EU as "the most beautiful construction of all humanity"
Which suggests that he's been smoking his own socks. Oh, and.....

His platform promotes job creation, improvement of educational standards, improved conditions in the troubled suburbs, reduced government spending, a balanced budget and a stronger European Union, with France as its de facto leader.
So, in other words, he sees the EU as an extension of French nationalism.

I really can't see how he'd be fundamentally different to any other French President in recent history.
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Old 12th Jun 2013, 09:23
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the EU as an extension of French nationalism.

Every Frenchman I know feels the same way. Go and work in Paris or Brussels or Strasbourg and you'll find out it's true.

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Old 12th Jun 2013, 09:35
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Unfortunately the old adage that "France would lead and Germany would pay" no longer applies.......
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Old 12th Jun 2013, 09:44
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Brussels is not in France.
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Old 12th Jun 2013, 09:49
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Ah, but it's at the heart of the French EUtopia.
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