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Old 2nd Jun 2013, 10:38
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There's a separate thread on EU youth (un)employment, but since it affects everyone I'll post my comment here:

What's happened in Spain is that as taxes rise, "work" (which still has to be done) moves from the legitimate (tax-paying) sector to the illegitimate (non-tax paying) sector and obviously so do the workers, who still receive an income, paid under the table in cash, but have the added advantage of being paid unemployment benefit (where such is available).

So the State loses out twice over. In desperation at falling income and rising State expenditure, the witless Prime Minister Rajoy than raises taxes yet again while mumbling to the media "it's working".

Like heck it is.

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Old 6th Jun 2013, 05:30
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EU put eurozone safety before Greece during bailout, IMF report claims - Telegraph

Well, there's a surprise! Politicians only considering their own interest in keeping the trough that feeds their snouts full for longer.
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Old 6th Jun 2013, 05:58
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Latest poll:

Majority in UK want EU exit...

Sky News Poll Reveals Huge Divide On Europe

Majority in Scotland don't...

Scotland by far the most pro-EU part of UK

With the result that...

Westminster EU stance strengthening Yes support

Scotland likely to say "bye-bye" to UK if UK looks likely to say "bye-bye" to EU?

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Old 6th Jun 2013, 06:33
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Bar the fact that the Scottish referendum is to be held well before any vote on the EU.
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Old 6th Jun 2013, 10:52
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Majority in UK want EU exit...
Quote from the Sky article:

44% said Yes, 45% No and 11% Don't Know. When the answers were adjusted to exclude Don't Knows, the result was 49% Yes and 51% No.
Is it statistically robust to exclude those who don't know from ones analysis? Maybe some of the 11% were immigrants who didn't understand the question (que?).

Seems to me that Rupert has already decided which way we should vote, given the hyperbolic headline.
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Old 8th Jun 2013, 22:52
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German court case could force euro exit warns key judge

Crucial hearings on the eurozone’s bail-out policies at Germany’s top court this week could set in motion events that force Germany’s withdrawal from the euro, a leading judge has warned.

Udo di Fabio, the constitutional court’s euro expert until last year, said the explosive case on the legality of the European Monetary Union rescue machinery could provoke a showdown between Germany and the European Central Bank (ECB) and ultimately cause the collapse of monetary union.

“In so far as the ECB is acting 'ultra vires’, and these violations are deemed prolonged and serious, the court must decide whether Germany can remain a member of monetary union on constitutional grounds,” he wrote in a report for the German Foundation for Family Businesses.

“His arguments are dynamite,” said Mats Persson from Open Europe, which is issuing its own legal survey on the case on Monday................
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Old 9th Jun 2013, 18:08
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It's over: we are saved !

Euro crisis is over, says France's Francois Hollande

The French president said the crisis had "strengthened" the 17-nation bloc
French President Francois Hollande has declared an end to the eurozone debt crisis, which has gripped the region for the past four years.
"What you need to understand here in Japan is that the crisis in Europe is over," he told Japanese business leaders on a trip to the Far East.
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Old 9th Jun 2013, 19:13
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Smoking his socks again. Since he doesn't know the difference between Chinese and Japanese, perhaps we should take this latest uttering of a socialist cretin with a ton of salt.

This will no doubt send the Euro tumbling.
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Old 9th Jun 2013, 21:45
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...a ton of salt ? I suggest you read this:

http://ec.europa.eu/health/nutrition...report1_en.pdf
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Old 10th Jun 2013, 19:58
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Same old, same old.

Maybe you haven't read the last news and last numbers available, internet is slow at home?


In April 2013, manufacturing output increased (+2.6%), as well as industrial production as a whole (+2.2%).

During the last three months, manufacturing output increased (+0.8%)
During the last three months (q-o-q), output increased in the manufacturing sector (+0.8%), as well as in industry as a whole (+0.9%).

Output improved in other manufacturing (+0.4%), in the manufacture of electrical and electronic equipment (+1.5%), in the manufacture of transport equipment (+2.0%). It rose in the manufacture of coke and refined petroleum products (+14.7%). On the contrary, output decreased in the manufacture of food products and beverages (-1.2%).

And please go ahead with you same old "yes but no but yes but no Eurozone and escpecially France have exploded a long time ago, they sinked and they don't exist anymore".

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Old 10th Jun 2013, 20:01
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I almost forgot: TABLEVIEW come back! Let's play this shameless game you are mastering.
Would you care to clarify that comment, KAG?
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Old 10th Jun 2013, 20:35
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KAG,

The EU zone is in recession. France is increasingly turning against Hollande due to its subsiding economy.

I think your vision of the state of the EU is flawed.

Several countries have devastating unemployment. The economic engines that have until now kept EU floating, Germany, France, Netherlands, Finland - all are starting to sink. Ever consider reconsidering?
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Old 10th Jun 2013, 20:37
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You seem to have forgotten a basic rule about not making ad hominem attacks. Furthermore, you have not answered the question you were asked.
As you seem to appear under more than one identity, should you not rather refer to ad homines attacks? Just striving for accuracy, you understand.

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Old 10th Jun 2013, 20:40
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As you seem to appear under more than on identity
Is that speculation or do you know it to be true? I've always regarded Capetonian as a singular poster.

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Old 10th Jun 2013, 20:40
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As you seem to appear under more than one identity,
Suggestion : Check your facts.
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Old 10th Jun 2013, 20:41
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Let him answer.
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Old 10th Jun 2013, 20:45
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We crossed.

I seem to recall an exchange some time back, when tableview and capetonian seemed to be interchangeable. I actually do not care that much.
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Old 10th Jun 2013, 20:48
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Me, neither.

Wouldn't you agree that what is said is at least as important as who said it?
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Old 10th Jun 2013, 21:54
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KAG,

The EU zone is in recession. France is increasingly turning against Hollande due to its subsiding economy.

I think your vision of the state of the EU is flawed.

Several countries have devastating unemployment. The economic engines that have until now kept EU floating, Germany, France, Netherlands, Finland - all are starting to sink. Ever consider reconsidering?
Reconsidering when all the titanic prediction were wrong (should I go back in the past and make some quote???). I don't think so.
In addition have a look at the very last numbers I gave you above. Eurozone will not only survive, it will be stronger in the future, considering all the improvement the crisis forced it to do. Further more debt is under control in Eurozone, not like in Japan, US, UK where it is either above 100%, either increasing fast.

If you are a minimum honest and followed a bit what I have been saying for years on many different subjects, most of the time you'll notice I was right when you look back. Don't take my words too lightly. Don't make this mistake most already did here on PPRuNe. So no, I won't reconsider because where we are at today is exactly what I expected and SAID: more integration, either politic or economic and we are not where evebody or almost thought few years back on JB PPRuNe (need some quote?). I am ready to discuss though. If this is to tell me Eurozone is suffering, I will tell you yes. If this is to tell me I was right, Greece didn't leave, Greece has its debt under control now, and nobody will give it up, I will say yes. If this is to tell me I was right, Eurozone didn't explode, I will say yes. If this is to say we are seing huge political movement and integration in Eurozone like I predicted, I will say yes. Eurozone is more integrated, is more united than ever and it will stick together, will overcome its crisis as one entity. And yes you can mark my words and quote me.
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Old 10th Jun 2013, 22:07
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