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Old 15th Jul 2013, 06:09
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1 down, 9 to go....England have the edge, but not by that much....and given the nature of the match, nobody would have begrudged the Aussies winning.

They were probably overawed by the lack of rain stopping play....
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Old 15th Jul 2013, 06:13
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Yes hopefully Clarke and Watto will learn to use the DRS better, hopefully the umpire gets some specs and hopefully that little shit Broad learns to play the game in the right spirit.
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Old 15th Jul 2013, 06:16
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Great match, good to see Test Cricket isn't all boring.

I just read an article that said Broad played at my local
cricket club where he "toughened up" !
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Old 15th Jul 2013, 07:28
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Read that one too 500N.

Hoppers Crossing put the mongrel in a schoolboy Broad

"This particular bowler, he must have been 10 years older, and he probably thought I was a kid and he could bully me," he said.
"He went at me all day, all the usual, that I was only there because of my dad, calling me a few ordinary names, as the Australians say, and I ended up following him back down the pitch to his mark.
"The club told me to calm down after that but I wanted to show he wasn't the boss. I thought, 'I'm not just going to let him come at me, I'm going to stand up to him'.
What? Playing for Hoppers Crossing? BWAHAHAHAHA!
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Old 15th Jul 2013, 07:33
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I think Merv Hughes played down here as well.
I know he lived here.
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Graeme Swann in blast at Sri Lankan 'cheat' | Mail Online

'It was very difficult to take because it was so blatantly out and I'm just glad I live in an age where the DRS is in place,' said Swann. 'The thing that annoyed me was that the batsman stood there knowing 100 per cent he was out but chose to cheat.'

Your silence in this case is deafening Mr Swann. And get rid of the sunglasses while you bowl too. You look like a douche!
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Old 15th Jul 2013, 08:49
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Yes hopefully Clarke and Watto will learn to use the DRS better, hopefully the umpire gets some specs and hopefully that little shit Broad learns to play the game in the right spirit.
I have given my opinion on here many times about batsmen not walking - it is cheating. However, my views belong to a bygone age, or more likely an age that didn't ever exist. This is professional sport and the batsman has every right to wait to be given out. In your outrage did you notice that Clarke and Haddin also stayed put until the umpire notified them that they had to go? KnC got it spot on earlier; nobody has discussed the controversies in this test on this thread because that is cricket - you take the rough with the smooth and it all just about evens out in the end.

What a fantastic test it was.
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Old 15th Jul 2013, 10:04
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I never walked but for something as blatantly obvious as Broad's I must admit I would have (bit like not counting an air swing at golf)....still the results are up,can't change them,well played England, very well played Jimmy Anderson......not so well played Aleem Dah (Specsavers is recommended) and DRS. Bring on Lords.
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Old 15th Jul 2013, 10:21
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Agree your point re Aleem Dar, cannot believe he missed that. However, I don't think there is anything wrong with DRS per se. Some of the operators using it to make a decision have some issues but the system itself is fine. As an aside, Broad's decision was such a howler that I think that the third umpire should be in Dar's ear letting him know and getting the decision overturned, regardless of the fact that Australia had no reviews left. If the system cannot be used for that then it might as well not be there.
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Old 15th Jul 2013, 10:58
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, Broad's decision was such a howler that I think that the third umpire should be in Dar's ear letting him know and getting the decision overturned, regardless of the fact that Australia had no reviews left. If the system cannot be used for that then it might as well not be there.
agree with you Nick......what's the point of having a third umpire if he can't correct a blatantly wrong decision.
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Old 15th Jul 2013, 11:35
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I personally think that not walking is a disgrace, but i am old school and I was taught honesty and integrity from an early age. New school means that the majority will not walk and the umpire will have to decide.If that is the way it is going to be then in this modern age with all the fancy aids to show if someone is out or not I think that they should be used. Every time an umpire gives someone out,if he thinks that their could be some doubt he should ask the third umpire to use the electronics etc. to review it and give the deciding umpire his opinion so that the right decision is made. It won't be the same to me but it at least it will be the best way to deal with the problem..
The review decision should be taken away from the Captains and given to the Umpires.
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Old 15th Jul 2013, 12:09
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If Dar was unsure, he could have given Broad out and then left it to Broad to ask for a review.
If he doesn't ask for the review, the umpire can be confident it was out.
If it gets reviewed and overturned, justice is done and the batting side retains its right to another review, if required.
Dar got it wrong on every level. Will lessons be learned?

You can't criticise Broad for not walking, given the history of Ashes cricket. But he has to accept that his actions reflect strongly on his character (or lack thereof).
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Old 15th Jul 2013, 12:20
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Originally Posted by Nick Riviera
Agree your point re Aleem Dar, cannot believe he missed that. However, I don't think there is anything wrong with DRS per se. Some of the operators using it to make a decision have some issues but the system itself is fine. As an aside, Broad's decision was such a howler that I think that the third umpire should be in Dar's ear letting him know and getting the decision overturned, regardless of the fact that Australia had no reviews left. If the system cannot be used for that then it might as well not be there.
No.

The DRS system was brought in to deal with howlers of this kind. It was not brought in to give captains a speculative appeal hoping something may have happened. Thus it is limited to twice per innings. If captains, and Clarke effectively admitted this, use DRS hoping to get a 50:50 call overturned then that is their business, but they cannot then get upset if they suffer a howler.

Clarke to his credit has admitted his cockup. 9 reviews used for 2 successes vs Cook using 4 reviews for 3 successes.

Including the winning one.
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Old 15th Jul 2013, 12:21
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Couldn't agree more Cooda
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Old 15th Jul 2013, 12:32
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No.
No to what? I have no problem if skippers waste their appeals on speculative decisions. I am saying that absolute howlers such as this should not be left to the players, the third umpire should be able to step in and advise the on-field umpire that he has made a terrible error. If they can't do that then they would seem to have no point.
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Old 15th Jul 2013, 13:22
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Well, this is another point. It should be the Captains call, not the batsman out on the field. I think Watsons review was a ridiculous waste, and Rogers' appeal was lucky. He didn't even realise what he was given out for before appealing!

It needs work IMHO.
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Old 16th Jul 2013, 00:33
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Have to agree with Daryl Harper here.
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Old 16th Jul 2013, 01:12
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Yes Buster, but is that Rogers' fault? He asked what he had been given out for and when told caught behind he breathed a sigh of relief and went back to his crease.

Again, the umpire should have made the RIGHT call and asked for lbw review but he did not. Thought it was a rather clever move myself.

I think they should use the DRS similar to how the third umpires have been used in Rugby League this season, the Ref HAS to give an opinion on what he thinks ie try or no try and asks for specifics to be checked. Surely it can't be that hard to do same in cricket?
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Old 16th Jul 2013, 03:17
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Richo, only his 'fault' in that he didn't have all the facts before requesting the review. I just think that, with a limited number of appeals/reviews, then they need to tighten up how they use them. Be it Captains call only, or only certain types of dismissals, I don't know. The batsman, just dismissed, is arguably the worst person to make the call.
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Old 16th Jul 2013, 04:40
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The umpire did not make it clear what he was given out for. Rogers then asked him (getting all the facts) was told caught and then he requested the review knowing he had'nt clipped it.

Still can't see where that is Rogers' fault, but i agree the dismissed batsman should not be the one to make the call.
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