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Old 12th Jul 2014, 23:32
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I'm going in October- I don't smoke and I don't like rum. Am I going to have a good time? Oh I am a grumpy farker too. Please tell me there's hope!

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Old 13th Jul 2014, 00:14
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Enjoy! A rum and coke sounds good.

Iffin it was up to me, the embargo of Cuba would have ben lifted years ago. While you're there, talk domestic politics with the locals in public.

Or just enjoy the sun and sand. Probably best for everyone's "health" if you do that.
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Old 13th Jul 2014, 02:11
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I'm going in October- I don't smoke and I don't like rum. Am I going to have a good time?
Well, my next door neighbor has been going to Cuba a couple of times a year for the last 10 or so. He doesn't smoke either but he does golf and he learned to like rum. The tourist areas are clean, cheap and the people are fantastic, which is why he keeps going back.
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Old 13th Jul 2014, 04:24
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That and the un-Canada like weather!

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Old 13th Jul 2014, 04:38
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Well, there's that.
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Old 13th Jul 2014, 05:25
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This neighbour who takes his holidays in Cuba, does he ever complain of loud obnoxious fellow tourists spoiling the fun for everyone?
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Old 13th Jul 2014, 06:26
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It seems Iraq has been lost. But it was your side of the aisle that lost it.
What a crock of s***e. Iraq was lost the day the cowboy bungled in there and dismantled the army and security forces.
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Old 13th Jul 2014, 06:31
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No, grasshopper. Iraq was in pretty good shape after the surge. The Sunnis, Shia, and Kurds were pretty much on board. Then we had the 2008 election and policy changed.

Man up, Lima.
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Old 13th Jul 2014, 06:51
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Kurds were pretty much on board
The Kurds are much more enamored of the current situation with the state that was Iraq completely destroyed, both Sunnis and Shias weakened by outright civil war and the Kurds now in control of cities and oilfields they have coveted for many years...

Kurds on Iraq's new faultline feel destiny beckoning | World news | The Guardian

Everything comes to him that waits... and the Kurds have been waiting some time.

I suppose we could blame the Ottoman's for failing to have a more resilient empire, the English for being mightily stupid in their treaties and redrawing of maps

Iraq - Historical Setting - World War I and the British Mandate

or the US for undoing the cement at the middle of the unholy melange.

Either way it really doesn't matter to the Iraqis now for as some Roman bloke said, alea iacta est and nothing in Iraq will ever be the same!

It is enough to make a man want to have another sip of Cuban rum with that very American coke!

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Old 13th Jul 2014, 07:06
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Do you really believe some of the tripe you write BenThere ?

I guess you'd have wanted 140,000 US troops still there then as sitting targets trying to keep a lid on sectarian tensions and dealing with the spill over from Syria ?
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Old 13th Jul 2014, 07:52
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Like it or not junk, it was relatively peaceful during that period. You might argue it wasn't a sustainable peace given that it took a boatload of manpower to maintain, but arguing that Itaq was in the $hitter at that point is disingenuous on your part.

You don't want to do that, do you?
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Old 13th Jul 2014, 08:00
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This neighbour who takes his holidays in Cuba, does he ever complain of loud obnoxious fellow tourists spoiling the fun for everyone?
The English or the Germans?
 
Old 13th Jul 2014, 08:04
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The English or the Germans?
Couldn't have been those reasonable, generally quiet Canucks I guess!

What is it about the Canadians that they are generally so polite and civilized overseas?

Give me an ugly American any day. It is so much easier to patronise them in a smug infuriating kind of European way!

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Old 13th Jul 2014, 08:32
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No, grasshopper. Iraq was in pretty good shape after the surge. The Sunnis, Shia, and Kurds were pretty much on board. Then we had the 2008 election and policy changed.

Man up, Lima.
Yep, it was all Obama's fault.

Bush, what a visionary
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Old 13th Jul 2014, 08:39
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Caco, nowadays those 'Canucks' you might meet in some parts of the world are actually Yanks regardless of the maple leaf sewn on their rucksacks.

https://nz.answers.yahoo.com/questio...2120030AAZWzRP
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Old 13th Jul 2014, 08:44
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Your ramblings got me to do some searching. Indeed some do rate US tourists as ugly Americans. A number of lists showed the British, French and Germans in hot pursuit of the title. The article below from a NZ paper is standard fare, the comments though are telling. Many respondents defend US tourists, others point out that that because of the high population that there's going alot of US tourists overseas. Some maintain US tourists are stupid by pointing to a lone encounter with one who happened to show their ignorance. This amusing to me after reading some silly high number of Britons couldn't identify Greece on a map. A fellow member of the EU yet something like 74% of your lot haven't a clue where it is. I surely can identify all the states of the US. You would think if for nothing else, they could identify it because of all the EU money that was dumped there. Alas, I recognize not all my fellow countrymen can find Deleware on a map.
It's also funny the number of respondents from NZ who rate their countrymen as ugly tourists, hoping others will think they're Aussies when acting stupid.

Perhaps I'll go harass some Brits tomorrow at mission beach. The Adidas and banana hammocks along with lily white skin in the am and lobster red skin in the pm make for easy identification.

Guess every country has them huh?

Top 10 notoriously bad tourists | Stuff.co.nz
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Old 13th Jul 2014, 09:00
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It's also funny the number of respondents from NZ who rate their countrymen as ugly tourists, hoping others will think they're Aussies when acting stupid.
Let's see some examples of this then.

(I am not expecting much.)
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Old 13th Jul 2014, 09:01
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Not so much ugly looking...

West Coast, I did not expect you of all people to bite, but as you have then ramble on with me if you will!

Here in the UK we encourage US tourists and we don't think of them all as ugly Americans. Indeed for the most part they are charming and generally pleased to be enjoying the many wonders of our magnificent country, culture and cuisine but just once in while you will get an ugly one and boy when Americans want to be ugly, they can be (you know what I mean)...!

All in all we try not point to the south side of the Thames from the Embankment and say "look, you can see France from here", nor do we suggest they eat in an Angus steak house when they want a good Texan steak... but, what the hell, sometimes the devil just bites and so why struggle, just yield?

I suppose I protest too much as I originally hail from South Africa but a penchant for English girls with luminous skin has derailed me and so I can only dream of those Californian beaches , besmirched as they are with hideous drunken and beetroot red Brits!

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Old 13th Jul 2014, 09:15
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How is sharing some banter biting? I'm just having fun with ya.
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Old 13th Jul 2014, 09:24
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How is sharing some banter biting? I'm just having fun with ya.
You know what it is like with us South Africans... no sense of banter or irony at all...

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