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Old 13th Jul 2014, 10:28
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Yes, this is supposed to be about Cuba and those links make interesting reading.

What did America hope to gain by pressuring Canada and others to make it impossible for Cubana to operate trans-Atlantic?

BTW, I remember calling in at Gander 30 or so years ago and being told that Ganda would always be there while needed by the RNZAF and Cuba crossing the Atlantic, we were in a 727.
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Old 13th Jul 2014, 10:45
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but for the most part the average Iraqi 'citizen' has seen casualties run at a depressingly high rate
https://www.iraqbodycount.org/analys...baghdad-surge/

The number of Iraqi deaths were reduced during the surge. Of course any casualty is one too many.
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Old 13th Jul 2014, 10:47
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The number of Iraqi deaths were reduced during the surge. Of course any casualty is one too many.
But not reduced enough to bring back all those killed since and during the invasion.
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Old 13th Jul 2014, 10:49
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The number of Iraqi deaths were reduced during the surge. Of course any casualty is one too many.
Fair enough on both points!

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Old 13th Jul 2014, 14:56
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This neighbour who takes his holidays in Cuba, does he ever complain of loud obnoxious fellow tourists spoiling the fun for everyone?
Yeah, but he has learned to stay away from the spots where the NZers hang out.
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Old 13th Jul 2014, 16:00
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Is a little balance allowed?

Surely the open-minded humanists here care about the average Cuban? Or is the attraction simply how cheap the place is compared with their typical exotic locale, Torremolinos?

The Last Communist City by Michael J. Totten, City Journal Spring 2014

A single restaurant meal in Havana costs an entire month’s salary. One night in a hotel costs five months’ salary. A middle-class tourist from abroad can easily spend more in one day than most Cubans make in a year. I had dinner with four Americans at one of the paladars. The only Cubans in the restaurant were the cooks and the waiters. The bill for the five of us came to about $100. That’s five months’ salary.
If he were still around, Hemingway would be stunned to see what has happened to his old haunt. Cubans certainly aren’t happy about it, but the tourists are another story—especially the world’s remaining Marxoid fellow travelers, who show up in Havana by the planeload. Such people are clearly unteachable. I got into an argument with one at the Floridita when I pointed out that none of the patrons were Cuban. “There are places in the United States that some can’t afford,” she retorted. Sure, but come on. Not even the poorest Americans have to pay a week’s wage for a beer.

Cubans in the hotel industry see how foreigners live. The government can’t hide it without shutting the hotels down entirely, and it can’t do that because it needs the money. I changed a few hundred American dollars into convertible pesos at the front desk. The woman at the counter didn’t blink when I handed over my cash—she does this all day—but when she first got the job, it must have been shattering to make such an exchange. That’s why the regime wants to keep foreigners and locals apart.
Havana was a magnificent Western city once. It should be compared not with Baghdad, Kabul, Guatemala City, or Port-au-Prince but with formerly Communist Budapest, Prague, or Berlin. Havana’s history mirrors theirs, after all.
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Old 13th Jul 2014, 18:30
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Apparently those $262,000 Peugeots are not selling too well.

But I am sure there are some very nice glossy brochures to be found.

Cuba opens up car sales to the public for the first time in decades and the prices are insane | Financial Post


A price list hanging on the green chain-link fence hints at why: US$85,000 for a 6-year-old Peugeot compact; US$46,000 for a tiny 2008 Citroen C3 hatchback that would cost less than a third of that in Europe. Elsewhere, a larger, new Peugeot 508 lists for US$262,000, five times its price in Britain — and more than a millennium worth of paychecks in Cuba, where wages average about US$20 a month.
 
Old 13th Jul 2014, 20:38
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It seems no one is able to explain why the US persists in policies that do nothing but preserve the hard conditions faced by the average Cuban.
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Old 13th Jul 2014, 21:22
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It is a puzzle why the Cuban government is so antagonistic, John. If they had aligned themselves with the U.S., they would be as prosperous as South Korea.

I suppose the only problem is that under a democratic government, the murderous Castros would have been voted out long ago. That might be just a small part of the problem, don'tcha think?
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Old 13th Jul 2014, 21:23
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Like I said "no one is able to explain why the US persists in policies that do nothing but preserve the hard conditions faced by the average Cuban."
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Old 13th Jul 2014, 21:43
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Like I said "no one is able to explain why the US persists in policies that do nothing but preserve the hard conditions faced by the average Cuban."
My question would be where does it become the responsibility of the US or any other country for that matter to ensure the average Cuban has an above average life style?


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Old 13th Jul 2014, 21:52
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My question would be where does it become the responsibility of the US or any other country for that matter to ensure the average Cuban has an above average life style?
That is not the issue. Right now America operates policies that tend to preserve the current regime and conditions in Cuba. It is not a matter of doing something, it is a matter of stopping doing it. So why does America place obstructions in the path of Cuban trade and economic development?
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Old 13th Jul 2014, 22:12
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So why does America place obstructions in the path of Cuban trade and economic development?
Not taking responsibility and blaming others seems to be common symptom with failed socialist governments.


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Old 13th Jul 2014, 22:17
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Yea, yea, we know all that but why does America place obstructions in the path of Cuban trade and economic development?
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Old 13th Jul 2014, 22:28
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Sumple answer JH. Because Cuban communists seized all US owned assets in Cuba and confiscated them. When they give them back there'll be trade.
 
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The US Government seized Iranian assets earlier this year.

Presumably they now operate a trade embargo against themselves.
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Old 13th Jul 2014, 22:46
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I always wondered why the US hasn't lifted the embargo.
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Old 13th Jul 2014, 22:50
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The US Government seized Iranian assets earlier this year.

Presumably they now operate a trade embargo against themselves.
Wrong. Now Iranians can impose an embargo on US. No more pistachios for you.
 
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The embargoes do nothing to address the claims over lost 'property' so why does America continue with them?

Presumably if/when America ever gets back what they think is their's they will immediately pass it on to the Spanish.
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Old 13th Jul 2014, 22:55
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Why don't you suggest to your communist buddies to rerun the confiscated property belonging to US citizens and corporations and see what happens. I bet you the embargo will be lifted before the ink dries on the deeds.
 

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