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Old 24th Jun 2011, 12:49
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He isn't 'giving the whole industry a bad name'. Sadly there are @rseholes in every walk of life.
I also think the 'professional pilot' who considers that quite a large part of the world's population (SLFs) to have 'inflated egos' to be a bit of a wrong'un.
And on further reflection, I don't see why people should dicatate as to what profession can comment on this situation. A misogynist, homophobic & probably a few other 'ics' idiot has mistakenly aired his views all too publicly. It could have been a tv presenter, bus driver, receptionist - the list goes on. All the same objections that would apply to him would also apply to my list.

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Old 24th Jun 2011, 14:08
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Sanctimonious US bashing by perfect Brits?

What's with all the comments by British posters deriding US political correctness as if England is the land of free speech. Apart from perhaps the Netherlands, the UK is the most ridiculously over protective nanny state in Europe of which the 2009 Equality Bill – which criminalises politically incorrect jokes, with a maximum punishment of up to seven years’ prison – is just one small example

The UK is so perfect
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Old 24th Jun 2011, 15:35
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Final 3 Greens: "If someone says such things in a office or similar working environment and are inadvertently overhead, there is every possibility that they will be reported and experience disciplinary action.

Do I like it? No, I think PC sucks, but in this instance it appears Southwest have treated the pilot in the same way they would have treated anyone else in their company, which has a certain degree of integrity."

Very well said. And that is the point, is it not? Some pilots wish to be treated like professionals in all respects - except apparently in a situation like this.

I also think PC sucks (as a broad generalization), but what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

Speaking of PC, thanks for that post about how bad things have gotten in Jolly Old. I left the place in '83 and only visit there occasionally (Bucks, Berks, Surrey, Oxon mostly). Things are even worse than I thought. Why O why do so many of the worst trends that start here in the U.S. make it across the pond? [rhet.]

Bonger: bravo to those flight attendants! Let him suck it up, but let him continue to work as a pilot (suitably chastened). Totally different matters imho.
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Old 24th Jun 2011, 19:52
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These comments are what most normal pilots think,so get back in your boxes you low quality lefties
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Old 24th Jun 2011, 21:16
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As a previous poster mentioned there's an element of McCarthyism in the gay community which probably accounts for some of their unpopularity. The fatties and oldies aren't protesting here because it's water off a duck's back, but upset the gays and their organisations scream for revenge in the media.

Where I live there's an annual 'hero' parade, the 'heros' being the gays. Some of this procession borders on the obscene and there's often complaints, parents with children mostly I would say.
Any criticism of the 'heros' initiates an immediate attack in the media on these alleged 'homophobes' from the gay community, which is why many hold them in contempt.
Some time back someone suggested they were gays, not 'heros' which brought another storm of protest from the gay organisations.
They should try adopting a lower profile.

For some reason the gays have gotta be in your face.

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Old 24th Jun 2011, 22:55
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When people select a sexual partner that doesn't fit in the mainstream of the world why is it that they then expect the mainstream to think this is normal behavior? They should be happy we let them do it freely, not expect us to accept it as a normal lifestyle. This guy was saying what a lot of us feel and was unlucky enough to let his private conversation get to the press who made a field day out of it.

Think of comments you have made and how broadcasting it into the press's hands would make you look. I think this is a good guy that bumped the wrong button.
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Old 25th Jun 2011, 00:38
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This is not about homophobia or about being a sexual lechure. As others have said, many of us are of the above categories, PRIVATELY. This person let his most inner thoughts be known, which changes how others persive him. Imagine that Mel Gibson movie, where he could read womens thoughts despite whatever else they were saying. Imagine you are introduced to someone you consider of high standing, highly respectful, such as a docter, the captain of your flight , your local politician, and he is saying "Hello, nice to meet you...."etc, but while you are shaking his hand you can hear him saying "oh boy, would I love to shag your brains out !" or "you are one hell of an ugly b##ch !" etc... Would you still think of him in the same light as before ? with the same respect, even though you heard his private thoughts, but know what he is really like, or would you reel in disgust ?
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Old 25th Jun 2011, 01:00
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I can’t find any reference on the thread or in posted sound-bites but are we to assume that the stuck mic incident occurred when he started his tirade? If so, the coincidence is beyond statistical probability. What was the lead up to the outburst and how come the microphone became “unstuck” so abruptly? Had a caution been displayed then surely we’d have heard about that too.

Whatever the circumstances of the broadcast, when the general population start judging people on the contents of a supposedly private conversation then we are on the slippery slope to an Orwellian 1984 - the Thought Police seem to be alive and well. Not only that, I would venture to suggest that some of those who vilify this individual have been guilty of similar misdemeanours themselves, perhaps not as bile-filled but dogmatic nonetheless, the difference being of course that their opinions weren’t broadcast on the 6 o’clock news as a “headline”.

This incident is sensationalism at its worst and typifies today’s popular, voyeuristic press. This story isn’t news - finding a cure for cancer would be news.
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Old 25th Jun 2011, 01:00
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Guess it would depend upon whether you are beautiful or ugly. Best we can keep our private thoughts private. He was sharing his thoughts with one person and screwed up. The guy he was talking to didn't seem to be disagreeing with him so if he hadn't bumped the switch it would have been like hundreds of other cockpit conversations. Maybe it is time to get over it.
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Old 25th Jun 2011, 04:22
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MungoP --

Just for your information (no criticism intended), the First Amendment applies only to actions taken by the government, not by a private person or company. "Congress shall make no law....." Though only a relatively small percentage of Americans are aware of this limitation.

As an aside, if I may add my own two cents, for what little it is worth.

Some old adages exist for a reason. Such as (1) don't bust the minimums, and (2) don't dip your quill in the company inkwell.

Yes, you can you get away with violating these principles, and some do. It can sure be a thrill while it lasts. But someday it may blow up in your face, at which point a great deal of embarrassment, some refresher training, and an unpaid vacation may be the least of your problems.
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Old 25th Jun 2011, 04:41
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This person let his most inner thoughts be known
To one other person, whom he may have known very well, (or well enough), and felt he could. The stuck mic switch was an accident, accidents happen. Anyone else who heard him, or heard of his comments, are eavesdroppers and it is none of their business.

What rotten bastard dobbed him into the media and why?

If the two pilots had been female and holding a similar conversation the media would have made heroins out of them.

connoisseur - You had better get out a bit more. When crew are sitting on an aircraft, waiting, with jobs done, the three main topics of conversation are sex, seniority and salaries, has been for the last fifty years to my knowledge, probably will for the next fifty too! Maybe you should look for airlines that are run and staffed by the clergy.
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Old 25th Jun 2011, 06:05
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The stuck mic switch was an accident, accidents happen
One person's 'accident' is another person's 'carelessness'. Just because he didn't expect it to be overheard doesn't trump the reality that it was in fact overheard. It's ridiculous to expect that everyone else will shrug their shoulders and say, "Well, he didn't intend it to be heard so we'll pretend we didn't hear it."

There are actions and there are consequences, having an accident doesn't change that basic law. It might reduce the severity of punishment meted out, but it cannot change the fact.
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Old 25th Jun 2011, 06:24
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Just because he didn't expect it to be overheard doesn't trump the reality that it was in fact overheard. It's ridiculous to expect that everyone else will shrug their shoulders and say, "Well, he didn't intend it to be heard so we'll pretend we didn't hear it."
So those are the new rules are they? No matter where or how you overheard something, not intended for you, if it offends you then go public and make a huge fuss anyway? Strange, what is this molly coddled PC world of ours coming to?
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Old 25th Jun 2011, 06:41
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....the three main topics of conversation are sex, seniority and salaries, has been for the last fifty years.....
Agreed, and in my day it was sex, seniority, salaries and sentral heating.

( the latter being a novel concept to us Brits. and we were eager to learn from the rich ( comparatively ) Captains who had already installed it )
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Old 25th Jun 2011, 07:26
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So those are the new rules are they?
No, they are the old rules. At least, they are the only rules I have known as an adult in American society. Mind you, that's not to say that I like the rules. But I've had to learn them, mostly for my own survival.

if it offends you then go public and make a huge fuss anyway?
Do you live under a rock? Do the names Paris Hilton, Brittney Spears, Lady Gaga mean nothing to you. 'Attention whoring' is a way of life in America; in fact, we invented the term. If one's agenda, cause, movement, POV, etc. is not the focus of attention one. is. nothing.
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Old 25th Jun 2011, 07:42
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Finally Our Voices Were Heard...minus the gay bashing.

I am hetero. But, let me begin my post by saying this. I am one of the most "user-friendly" guys out there. I live in a city with a LARGE gay population. I have very close gay friends, and I love them dearly. They are very important figures in my life and it's hard catching my breath from the laughter we share when we hang out. I wouldn't live my life any other way.

That being said, the reason this hard-working, 40% pay-cut since deregulation, lost pension captain thinks his employer should provide a viable "marriage pool" for him is because the cabin crew are often the only people who are constants in any airline pilot's life. We are 95% hetero men. We are locked in little rooms at the front of flying tubes for decades out of our lives with other hetero men. We are no longer encouraged to chat with passengers. We already suffer one of the highest divorce rates of any profession. The difficulties of keeping a marriage or finding a life-partner were further frustrated in 1987 when the flight attendants unions filed and won a huge class-action law-suite claiming age discrimination. Ever since then the corporations have bent over backwards to avoid any more "legal trouble". Bent over so far that the pendulum of tolerance has swung to the polar opposite.

Minus the hateful slurs, what was said by this captain was merely the verbal embodiment of the frustrations of virtually every "single", male pilot flying for the airlines today. I have a buddy flying for jetBlue. Nicest, most upright guy in the world. But he also says things like, "We are officially the most gay friendly airline in the USA! Most of our flight attendants are gay men. I'm never going to meet my wife this way. The airlines aren't what they used to be."

I have an uncle flying for Delta, but was a previous NorthWest guy. The reason he's my uncle today is he met my blood-cousin, a beautiful, young flight-attendant, while flying the line in the early 80's.

We already gave up so much of our lives, in time away from home, for the corporations prior to the 1987 decision, and now, along with massive pay cuts and lost pensions, we lost our marriage pool too. Outside of his hurtful slurs against those who find more happiness living an alternative-lifestyle, I'm glad this captain's words were made public. It's about time our silent, frustrated voices on this topic were finally heard.

And by the way, NOTHING was ever said about quantity of "sexual encounters" by the captain. Every hetero man wants to meet the woman of his dreams too. I'm sure almost all of us would prefer to be monogamous with her, than polygamous with a bunch of women that aren't the woman of our dreams.

From watching the news clip in post #1, interestingly the "spokes person" for the SUA flight attendants union is a beautiful, young female. What kind of wool are they trying to pull over the eyes of America? It goes to show that they still want the public to be under the perception that a flight attendant is just that demographic, while on the inside it's not. What a paradox. Maybe the SUA flight attendant's union should be asking why a gay man isn't representing them as their spokes person? That should be even more insulting to the majority of flight attendants than one pilot's verbal expressions.
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Old 25th Jun 2011, 07:56
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I started off reading here -

I am hetero.
I have very close gay friends, and I love them dearly.
And I stopped reading there.
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Old 25th Jun 2011, 07:58
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You're homophobic. I'm confident. Enough said.
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Old 25th Jun 2011, 08:02
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The stuck mic switch was an accident, accidents happen
I wonder if Ernest Gann ever anticipated this kind of possibility when he was writing "Fate is the Hunter"?
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Old 25th Jun 2011, 08:19
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The whole episode tends to prove at least some of the shrewd observation that "a pilot is a confused soul who talks about women when he is flying, and flying when he is with women ..."
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