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Old 16th Mar 2011, 16:59
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Indeed

The small matter of China sending something like a hundred thousand gallons of petrol and the same in diesel seems to have been buried under the "OHMYGODWE'REALLGOINGTODIEBECAUSEOFFUKUSHIMA" reporting and the insanity from people like Merkel regarding Germany's reactors (like Germany is going to suffer a quake like that, or the following tsunami).

But, thankfully, it seems like the main headlines are shifting away from Fukushima, since armageddon isn't about to happen any minute, and more towards the actual issues. We're even getting more "tweets" like the one below on the BBC

1633: Dr Richard Wakeford of the University of Manchester in the UK says the real health risks come from the consequences of the quake and tsunami, not the radiation. "If this was a developing country, we'd have people going down in their hundreds and thousands with the likes of typhoid and cholera by now. The questions should be: Where is the sewage going? What is the state of the drinking water? If I were a public health official, that would be my principle concern," he told Reuters.
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Old 16th Mar 2011, 17:26
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Nice to see someone getting a priority right for a change.

HAD to be Manchester University I note!!!
I went there once. A looonng time ago.
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Old 16th Mar 2011, 17:30
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Who still believes that things have been managed properly at Fukushima Daiichi?
Where was their contingency planning?

US now recommending all US citizens within 80km of Fukushima Daiichi should evacuate as soon as possible.
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Old 16th Mar 2011, 17:35
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I'm sure they DID have contingency plans at some stage.
But those plans probably didn't allow for the sheer SCALE
of the events as they happened.
I don't think any plan could have forseen what DID occur.

It's just become a case of "Make decisions as they NEED to
be made," at the present time.

The longer range decisions will still hold good once the situation
has resolved itself to some degree.
But it's rather Chaotic at present.
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Old 16th Mar 2011, 17:41
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Management by crisis rather than crisis management.
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Old 16th Mar 2011, 17:42
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Yes, it will be so for a while, but not too long.
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Old 16th Mar 2011, 17:44
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Sorry to butt in on the conversation but I just wanted to wish Yamagata Ken well and everyone across Japan who have been affected so horribly by the quake & tsunami. It is so incredible how stoic, calm & resolute the people of Japan are when faced with immeasurable hardship & loss after a disaster such as this. I feel the world could learn alot of lessons from the Japanese on how to behave and act in times of strife.

Seeing all the reports on TV and reading about it (with some truly horrific images) has left me feeling so utterly helpless.

I did find a small, but growing website, that has been started to try and find those who are lost...its heartbreaking to see more faces & pleas appear each day...

SOSJapan.org - Helping the people of Japan find missing family and friends following the March 2011 earthquake and tsunami

It is quite a well run little site, I hope they manage to find everyone alive and well.

Anyway, I shall leave you to your nuclear discussions, and again I wish all those affected in Japan the very best & I hope that you can all come through this terrible situation very soon.
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Old 16th Mar 2011, 18:28
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They needed almost two or three weeks to get organised in Haiti, I believe (and hope) it will be faster in Japan.
Three weeks in Haiti should equate to about 90 seconds in Japan—assuming that the Japanese aren't in a rush, that is. The two countries could scarcely be further apart. Japan could send a Walkman to Haiti and double the country's net worth.

It's unfortunate that this has happened, but I don't think any other country would be better prepared to deal with it than Japan. If the same thing happened on the west coast of the U.S., Americans would be floundering about uselessly. Look how ineptly they handled the relatively tiny problem of flooding in New Orleans, and look how they completely failed to handle the BP oil spill at all. You can bet that the Japanese will waste no time finding and fixing all problems. It's a major disaster, but I am absolutely certain that it will be a temporary one.

The only thing that could throw a wrench in the works would be more earthquakes and tsunami (the nuclear plant problem is too minor to worry about right now).
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Old 16th Mar 2011, 19:05
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Again, thanks all. Let me re-iterate, we here are fine and we are grateful for that. Also, I believe the planning and the infrastructure we have in place have coped as well as possible with the situation. Clearly the plans did not account for the disablement of all transport links to the whole of northern Honshu. Again, no complaint there, but this should have been recognised earlier.

For scale, it takes about 6 hours to drive from here to Narita, just about the length of the effected area from here to the south. Except for about 20km each end, its expressway all the way.
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Old 16th Mar 2011, 19:09
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I agree 100% the perpetual nuclear Armageddon [email protected] fest is detracting from the immediate importance of...
Had an email earlier from from a fellow climber, resident in Tokyo, but on a local SAR team. They were within 20km of Fukushima reactor on Saturday and currently battling to get water, food, shelter, meds to Fukushima city, Ofutama and Minami Sanriku. Temperatures have dropped below zero, survivors wearing little more than the clothes they had on them on Friday and there are anywhere from 5 to 100 people per space in the shelters. Chest infections are spreading, women with babies have stopped lactating and there is a real risk of cholera and flu outbreaks.

Logistics are their biggest problem but this is being made even worse by the rampant scaremongering and irresponsible sensationalism in the media and from certain notable individuals. It is potentially having a direct impact on their abilities to get aid to the tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of people who need help now.

While there isn't much we can do here, the tone of reporting needs to change and should have changed days ago. The nuclear issue is out of our hands but being handled by the authorities. In the meantime tens of thousands of lives are at risk from a lack of immediate basic needs. He has made a direct appeal for whatever people can do to get the focus back primarily on to the rescue and supply efforts and off the "will it/won't it" of the Fukushima reactors!
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Old 16th Mar 2011, 19:21
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Wish you well Ken. Don't know what more to add.

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Old 16th Mar 2011, 22:41
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Foreign Office now recommending that UK citizens should consider leaving Tokyo and the area north of Tokyo.

Several long-settled (English) families are returning to Britain it seems.

Oz folk also, I believe.

A buggah when you have to leave with only one suitcase per person.
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Old 16th Mar 2011, 22:59
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Has the whole of the Japanese Self-Defence Force now been deployed? Surely this is the time they are needed, if they haven't.
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Old 17th Mar 2011, 03:16
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Yes they have been deployed. They have been out since day 1.

NHK English (or 16 other languages) is the place to go for reliable, non-sensational reporting. NHK was modelled on the BBC as was, and is still carrying the torch.

NHK WORLD English

"Two helicopters from Japan's Self-Defense Forces are dropping water on the Number Three building at the quake-damaged Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant."

They are using Chinooks.

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Old 17th Mar 2011, 07:01
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We had 20cm of snow last night, following about 15cm the day before. That will be effecting Iwate rather than Fukushima and Miyagi. The good news is that the north westerly which brings the snow will be blowing offshore on the east coast. Water cannon and helicopters are now operating at the nuclear power plant site, and re-connection to the grid is imminent.

Snow on the west coast route (Niigata) is causing some transport difficulties. Those trucks fitted with winter tyres (every truck which operates to/in Tohoku in the winter) will be able to manage no problem. To attempt the trip on summer tyres is foolish. That said, in the 7 years I've lived here, I've never seen this much snow so late in the year. Still snowing.

Helicopter search and rescue has now been called off. All helicopter activity is now concentrating on supply operations. Fuel is promised, to be arriving early next week. I've siphoned the van dry to supply two of our other cars and keep the family going. Mine is good for about another fortnight with care. I'm sick of the taste of petrol, it takes me back to the days of my yoof

I have had some pms which I failed to spot earlier. Apologies gentlemen, and thank you sincerely for your kindness.

For some news on international relief efforts, go here:

Kadena Air Base - Home

Thank you America, and thank you Australia (and others).
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Old 17th Mar 2011, 10:25
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Focus still needs to be maintained on the human cost and difficulties faced.


The scale of the tragedy in Japan was evident in a heartbreaking scene yesterday as 30 schoolchildren sat quietly in a classroom after their parents vanished when the tsunami swept through the coastal town of Ishinomaki.
The terrible toll of Japan's double disaster became clearer as it emerged as many as 25,000 people could be dead after Ishinomaki officials confirmed that 10,000 of their citizens were missing.

The wave hit the northeastern town as parents came to collect their children from Kama Elementary School but while many were saved, 30 children between eight and 12 years old remain in their classroom, silently playing games as they wait - possibly in vain - to be collected.
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Old 17th Mar 2011, 13:27
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I am wondering if, as Ken points out, this unusual snowfall has somehow been brought about as a side effect of the tsunami?

i.e., something dragged along in its wake which wouldn't normally be there?
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Old 17th Mar 2011, 13:43
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I did just see some footage of a TV news crew escaping the water, and it then beginning to snow. It did seem a strange coincidence.
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Old 17th Mar 2011, 13:48
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No. It is just weather. A blocking high in central/eastern Asia and a series of lows passing up north of eastern Japan is a typical winter weather pattern. This one is unusually late, but we had spring last week, and spring is forecast to return next week.

Tonight is cold, but the wind and driving snow have let up. There will be a lot of cold people tonight, but this isn't tent city. Everyone has some shelter because the public buildings have withstood the earthquake. This last point can't be emphasised enough.

Fuel has started to arrive.

The JSDF have revealed themselves as chocolate soldiers. Earning the money, wearing the kit and driving the machines, but not prepared to die for their country. Shame.
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The JSDF have revealed themselves as chocolate soldiers. Earning the money, wearing the kit and driving the machines, but not prepared to die for their country.
Can't say I blame them after all it is a problem partly of other peoples' making, assuming you're talking about Fukushima. Those helicopter pilots are true heroes, mind.
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