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Old 11th Mar 2014, 15:27
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awblain,

I get out in the wider world, mentally and physically, quite a bit. 67 countries at last count and I was called by a Frenchman, no less, "the most open and fair-minded Americans he ever met". You may not like my beliefs but they don't come from lack of exposure to ideas or cultures.

Radioactive poisons are outlawed by treaty and personal nukes are outlawed by cost as much as law. There was reported to be a private nuclear explosion in the Australian Outback years ago though. Aum Shinrikyo, it was thought

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Old 11th Mar 2014, 16:51
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There you go again!

Quoting AW.....dangnabbit!

You undo my granting of Peanut Gallery Status to him!
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Old 11th Mar 2014, 18:05
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Awblain, I will suspend disbelief for a few moments and accept that you are really concerned about gun deaths in the US. If so, then read up on Moynihan and his "scissors graph." Digest James Q. Wilson's "Broken Windows" theory, and study how government programs have created a culture of dependent pathology. After that you will begin to discover the true nature of gun crime, and where to start to solve the problem.

The other part of the equation is mental health, and here is where we probably agree. The Sandy Hook style shootings again have less to do with the weapon, and more with how we handle severe cases of mental illness.

All of this is time consuming, and tedious, and forces one to step away from the keyboard and stop trying to score cheap points on an anonymous bulletin board. But if you are a physicist, then I trust you are sincere in your effort to let science (in this case social science) lead you to the right answer.
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Old 11th Mar 2014, 18:07
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social science
Let's not be oxymoronic.
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Old 11th Mar 2014, 18:30
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just got a question

how many people in America die from guns every year, someone said about 40,000 is this correct?
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Old 11th Mar 2014, 18:41
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spycatcher:

Not even close. 2012, the latest year for which such statistics are available, there were almost 19,000 gun-related deaths. A part of that, which no one bothers to mention, is that 67% of that total are suicides.
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Old 11th Mar 2014, 18:46
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All those gun owners committing suicide? Just why do they do that?
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Old 11th Mar 2014, 18:49
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Well Mr. Hill I guess if one wants to commit suicide and also has a gun handy, that might be the preferred method of self-execution, no? (It really isn't rocket science John.)

I'm sure, though, if a gun wasn't handy jumping off the roof of a high-rise or a bridge might suffice. Or perhaps a lethal concoction of drugs and alcohol?
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Old 11th Mar 2014, 18:53
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Just why do they do that?
They must know you.
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Old 11th Mar 2014, 18:53
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19,000 seems rather low compared to previous years. No doubt there's an explanation.

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states
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Old 11th Mar 2014, 19:07
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Originally Posted by perthsaint View Post
19,000 seems rather low compared to previous years. No doubt there's an explanation.

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states
Likely 2 explanations.
1. Lousy aim.
2. Good job done by emergency medical services.
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Old 11th Mar 2014, 19:12
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Mr. Hill,

I'm sure if I spent anytime discussing matters of import with you I might contemplate blowing my brains out afterwards.
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Old 11th Mar 2014, 19:17
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awblain, if you are not using social science as the basis for facts on which you form opinions, then what are you using?

"Physicist" indeed.
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Old 11th Mar 2014, 19:35
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19,000, thanks for that, is that including the number of deaths attributed to the police?
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Old 11th Mar 2014, 19:39
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Matari wrote:

awblain, if you are not using social science as the basis for facts on which you form opinions, then what are you using?
Can I give a hint Matari? Please?

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Old 11th Mar 2014, 20:00
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Brock inumerate shock:

2011: 32,163
2010: 31,672
2009: 31,347
2008: 31,593
2007: 31,224
2006: 30,896
2005: 30,694
2004: 29,569
2003: 30,136
2002: 30,242
2001: 29,573
2000: 28,663
1999: 28,874

We await 2012 with bated breath - Allow me to guess 32,000, with 20,000 old sad white guys (that's some of you folks) shooting themselves in the head. No cry for help there - no treatment, so yes, they're needless and unnecessary early deaths. There's a ~1% chance it's going to be you gun-boost guys.
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Old 11th Mar 2014, 20:02
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"Died while cleaning (fondling) his gun, tragic accident but what a fitting way for him to go."
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Old 11th Mar 2014, 20:04
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"It's what he would have wanted"
"I took it out of his cold dead hand"
"Freedom rings [in his ears]"
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Old 11th Mar 2014, 20:27
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And you two complain about us Yanks ganging up on you.

You think LMS, Ex-, Gertude, etc will be very long join in with you.
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Old 11th Mar 2014, 20:31
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Con

One from a coUntry that is so small no one really gives a shyte about and the other from the US state people think is weird and that is so in debt it doesn't know what to do.

So inconsequential.
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