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Old 25th Feb 2014, 19:07
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Old 25th Feb 2014, 19:07
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The American Taliban from California was directly involved in a area of combat operations. He was armed.

I suggest a bit of research into the prison uprising in Mazar-e-Sharif, Afghanistan for the details. His life was spared when it could have been easily, and legally, taken.
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Old 25th Feb 2014, 19:08
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"Are you singling him out for special treatment explicitly because he is an American?"

Yes.
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Old 25th Feb 2014, 19:14
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You were one who didn't much care for some terrorists getting some gulps of water. There are others here, no doubt, who though Dubya was the anti-Christ when he authorized such.
The thing is, immediately post-911 there was a huge amount of sympathy here and across the world for the US. The rendition programme greatly undermined this as it was broadly viewed as the US giving up the moral high ground and squandering this goodwill, for absolutely no useful purpose. Iraq of course was the final nail.

No outrage because simply it's Barry and he's killing Americans?
Not true. There's plenty of people who are deeply concerned at the US's continuing use of extra-judicial assassinations. You only need to search the 'net to discover this.
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Old 25th Feb 2014, 19:23
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His life was spared when it could have been easily, and legally, taken.
Not after his identity had become known.
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Old 25th Feb 2014, 19:28
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Old 25th Feb 2014, 19:28
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"Are you singling him out for special treatment explicitly because he is an American?"

Yes.
Riiight - so you're okay if you engage in all manner of nefarious terrorist activities in the likes of Yemen, just so long as you don't happen to get caught up in a firefight with US forces (amongst others) - if you do, you immediately given up constitutional protections under US law and can be executed without due process.
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Old 25th Feb 2014, 19:31
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My mistake - on-going US drone strikes are in fact massively popular across the globe, so much so that the world is called on Obama to have them orbiting over every major population centre, just in case.
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Old 25th Feb 2014, 19:32
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Not after his identity had become known.
You seem to 'get' it with this post.

I defer to those who have experienced ground combat with all the stresses and adrenaline involved as to ending Linn's (sp? American Taliban guy) life when finding him during or immediately after the two-way exchange of fire. Wouldn't have upset me particularly to know that he had taken a face shot a few minutes after the rest of the firing stopped.

But for an American President, sitting in the Oval Office, to rack and stack files of Americans to live or die at his whim is not what we are suppossed to be. There is due process which each of us is guarenteed. Any President, not just this one, cannot take it from me. Or even al-Alawki (sp?). Died while resisting arrest? Aw, what a shame (not). Died because Barry snapped his fingers? Frightening.

I truly don't care what you or the world thinks regarding U.S. actions that it takes in its vital national interests. Come along, stand aside, or resist depending on your views, interests, and/or capabilities.
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Old 25th Feb 2014, 19:37
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when finding him during or immediately after the two-way exchange of fire
He was in a well or the like for two days along with the other c.85 other survivors, eventually got flooded out by the Afghan troops working alongside our SF. No firefight immediately before he was captured.
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Old 25th Feb 2014, 19:56
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Ok, great.

And he, as an American, had a trial - actually pled guilty before trial I believe and got some years behind bars (20?).

Which is entirely the point. As an American, he gets treated differently by Americans up to and including a President.

If a Brit had snuffed him or al-Alawki (sp?), I would not have wanted the U.S. government to complain. "These things happen...sigh..." and all that.

But if Barry can order one American killed (actually several), why not others? Why can't the next one up the game "due to circumstances?"

That is not a good future.
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Old 25th Feb 2014, 20:21
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No firefight before the scum bag was captured?

You don't think so? Where'd you get that information, the Inner-net?

I can assure you that there was a lot of banging-banging going on at the time of his capture. Lots and lots of it.

I can also assure you that Mr. Lindh knew very well there was going to be an uprising at Qala, and even during the uprising his lips remained very sealed and he refused cooperation. And, he was armed with not only an AK-47 but an RPG as well.

He was an enemy combatant engaged in a combat zone. That he was taken prisoner says a lot about the self-restraint of his captures. I would not have experienced that same self-restraint.
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Old 25th Feb 2014, 20:35
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And the undermining of the Constitution continues. And, yet again, at the hands of uber-racist Holder.

Here's what he had to say today.

At a meeting of State Attorneys General he told them that they "do NOT have to defend laws against constitutional court challenges if they consider those laws discriminatory."

Who the f**k does he think he is? And why hasn't he been fired yet?

It just gets worse with each passing day. Is it 2016 yet?
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Old 25th Feb 2014, 21:20
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No firefight before the scum bag was captured?
I did say immediately before. Sure, there was a helluva lot of fighting in the days and hours which preceded his capture. As I said before, his role in any combat is pure speculation - no-one knew who did what - he wasn't identified beforehand, hence his actions subject to greater scrutiny.

He was an enemy combatant engaged in a combat zone. That he was taken prisoner says a lot about the self-restraint of his captures. I would not have experienced that same self-restraint.
He only survived because, as far as the guys who captured him knew at the time, he was just another Taleban. I'm sure they, like you, would have done what you would have liked to have done had they known who he was. Had they done so, it too would have been in effect an extra-judicial execution of an American, with all the ramifications that brings of which you and others are so concerned about. The fact he may or may not have been engaged in combat with American forces is neither here nor there.
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Old 26th Feb 2014, 16:09
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Darrell Castle of the Constitution Party wrote an interesting article on Obama and his continued usurption of the Constitution. In it, Castle calls Obama, King Obama! More can be read here:

King Obama The Castle Report
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Old 26th Feb 2014, 16:40
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Nutty McNutter of the Nutty Party probably wrote something rather more coherent and sensible. Are there any other dispatches from the asylum that we should take a look at?

When you have a do-less-than-zero legislature, with the majority ideologically opposed to government (so quit being in it, you baggerloons), what's an executive to do?

Perhaps you should read the Preamble again, carefully this time.
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Old 26th Feb 2014, 17:07
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Perhaps you should read the Preamble again, carefully this time.
Perhaps so should Obama as well.

Along with the Bill of Rights.
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Old 26th Feb 2014, 17:26
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Not likely, AWB and Obama are cut from the same cloth,
happy to ignore both documents and ride roughshod over
anyone who doesn't agree with them and ideology.

The more AW posts, his true colours show through.


"You WILL do what I say" !
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Old 26th Feb 2014, 18:08
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with the majority ideologically opposed to government
Facts are hard...

Hint: One half of the legislature is controlled by the Republicans. One half by the Democrats along with the Executive Branch. If he and they wanted things, there are means to do so without resorting to running roughshod over the Constitution. It's called small, bite-sized compromise. There is a track record of such.

That leadership thing also appears to be hard despite the statements issued during the campaigns of King Barry. I believe he said he wouldn't do some of the things he is now doing.

Shocked, I tell you. Shocked.

But remember, the next guy or gal is going to study the lessons learned and allowed, and push the envelope even more.

Will you be so smug then?
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Old 26th Feb 2014, 18:23
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Obama is too pig headed to compromise.

Unless he is outsmarted by a Russian and then he tries to turn it around to make it look like his idea.

Red line and no back up / balls !
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